Round 6: The 105th running of the Indianapolis 500. May 18-30, 2021. - Page 3

broadrun96 · 22 May 2021, 19:58 (Ref:4052766)

Ouch

https://twitter.com/IndyCar/status/1...956674564?s=20

broadrun96 · 22 May 2021, 21:29 (Ref:4052769)

Will Power second in Lane 1 with 21 min to go, Simona ahead of him

broadrun96 · 22 May 2021, 21:39 (Ref:4052771)

229.228 for Will so he's coming back tomorrow in The Last Row Shootout

And then the team almost pushed him in to the wall after his run.

Sato and Rossi are sitting in Lane 2 to get in the Fast 9.

Enerson and Kellett, and Simona it sounds, will likely end their attempt to move up to Fast 9 with 11 min to go

broadrun96 · 22 May 2021, 21:51 (Ref:4052772)

With 7 seconds to go Kellett bumped himself from 30 to the Last Row Shootout and Simona pulled out for the final run.

Edit

He kept 30, NBC had it wrong to start.

And Will acting like his usual idiot self that's it's not his problem someone else did it. He wasn't in the top 30 with his last 2 runs.

**joeb** · 22 May 2021, 22:28 (Ref:4052774)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

With 7 seconds to go Kellett bumped himself from 30 to the Last Row Shootout and Simona pulled out for the final run.

Edit

He kept 30, NBC had it wrong to start.

And Will acting like his usual idiot self that's it's not his problem someone else did it. He wasn't in the top 30 with his last 2 runs.

I turned it off after Kellett did not improve his time, and I was under the impression as well that he had lost the position. So what went different?

peebee2 · 22 May 2021, 22:31 (Ref:4052775)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I turned it off after Kellett did not improve his time, and I was under the impression as well that he had lost the position. So what went different?

You have to set a time in the top 30 when you do it, otherwise no speed is recorded, thus Power’s speed was struck.

Hence Kellett was still in. He ran specifically to block Power from being able to run again. Very smart strategy.

broadrun96 · 22 May 2021, 22:34 (Ref:4052777)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

You have to set a time in the top 30, otherwise no speed is recorded.

Hence Kellett was still in. He ran specifically to block Power from being able to run again. Very smart strategy.

Kellett's time was out so that strategy was run too early. Power withdrew his time during Kellett's run when then entered Lane 1 in hopes they could get on track after Simona if Kellett got waived off like Enerson did by Indy officials. Kellett was just fast enough to not get waived off. If Power had not withdrawn Kellett would have been out and Power in.

peebee2 · 22 May 2021, 22:38 (Ref:4052778)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Kellett's time was out so that strategy was run too early. Power withdrew his time during Kellett's run when then entered Lane 1 in hopes they could get on track after Simona if Kellett got waived off like Enerson did by Indy officials. Kellett was just fast enough to not get waived off. If Power had not withdrawn Kellett would have been out and Power in.

No. Power’s time was not counted as it wasn’t top 30 when he did it. As he never got out again it wasn’t withdrawn, as there was nothing to withdraw.

Kellet’s strategy was only to deny Power a final run with downforce taken off. Very good thinking from someone.

Simone was never likely to beat him. Power was the threat.

mstets · 23 May 2021, 05:21 (Ref:4052799)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Kellett's time was out so that strategy was run too early. Power withdrew his time during Kellett's run when then entered Lane 1 in hopes they could get on track after Simona if Kellett got waived off like Enerson did by Indy officials. Kellett was just fast enough to not get waived off. If Power had not withdrawn Kellett would have been out and Power in.

Seems like a very unlikely strategy to work out for Power. It could only have worked if both Kellett and Simona had waved off. If either of them made a four lap run there was no way Power was getting on track, so why would they withdraw his 229 run? I can't imagine a wave off of either of the last two runs before they had each completed at least two laps, and that would have taken more time than Kellett's four lap run. Simona barely left the pits before the gun went off.

Where can we read the rule book?

broadrun96 · 22 May 2021, 22:31 (Ref:4052776)

I think he lost his position and Power withdrew his so he moved back up again

broadrun96 · 22 May 2021, 22:49 (Ref:4052779)

No, at the END of the day the Top 30 is kept and all others are erased. NBC doesn't know the actual regs and can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground, the truck does and kept the 31-35 times as Indy did. The I'm running 30 so when my time is withdrawn I can rub 180 is NOT in the current setup, it was the pre Last Row Shootout rule. All times are kept during Saturday and if you withdraw, as required to enter Lane 1, you lose your fast time. If 30 withdraws his time to enter Lane 1 31 can take that spot if 30's time is worse.

Indy hasn't helped by changing the rule at least once every year since IRL wanted to guarantee everyone in the field. Indy Star had up to date listings and running order.

But it shouldn't matter as the rule change to allow the Last Row to run almost non-stop for the entire time means Power can't possibly screw it up. He gets all the runs he needs not one and done like they've used until I think last year.

mstets · 23 May 2021, 05:31 (Ref:4052800)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

No, at the END of the day the Top 30 is kept and all others are erased. NBC doesn't know the actual regs and can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground, the truck does and kept the 31-35 times as Indy did. The I'm running 30 so when my time is withdrawn I can rub 180 is NOT in the current setup, it was the pre Last Row Shootout rule. All times are kept during Saturday and if you withdraw, as required to enter Lane 1, you lose your fast time. If 30 withdraws his time to enter Lane 1 31 can take that spot if 30's time is worse.

Indy hasn't helped by changing the rule at least once every year since IRL wanted to guarantee everyone in the field. Indy Star had up to date listings and running order.

But it shouldn't matter as the rule change to allow the Last Row to run almost non-stop for the entire time means Power can't possibly screw it up. He gets all the runs he needs not one and done like they've used until I think last year.

Pruett is backing up NBC's explanation of the rules.

https://racer.com/2021/05/22/underst...00-qualifying/

mstets · 23 May 2021, 06:10 (Ref:4052803)

Both of Power's runs are shown as bumped. Neither was withdrawn. The only withdrawn run of the day was Kellett's.

https://racer.com/wp-content/uploads...1-official.pdf

peebee2 · 23 May 2021, 06:06 (Ref:4052802)

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadrun96

No, at the END of the day the Top 30 is kept and all others are erased. NBC doesn't know the actual regs and can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground, the truck does and kept the 31-35 times as Indy did. The I'm running 30 so when my time is withdrawn I can rub 180 is NOT in the current setup, it was the pre Last Row Shootout rule. All times are kept during Saturday and if you withdraw, as required to enter Lane 1, you lose your fast time. If 30 withdraws his time to enter Lane 1 31 can take that spot if 30's time is worse.

Indy hasn't helped by changing the rule at least once every year since IRL wanted to guarantee everyone in the field. Indy Star had up to date listings and running order.

But it shouldn't matter as the rule change to allow the Last Row to run almost non-stop for the entire time means Power can't possibly screw it up. He gets all the runs he needs not one and done like they've used until I think last year.

LOL, I’m not getting info off the TV. I’m getting it direct from teams at the track. It’s complicated but it’s exactly as I wrote above.

peebee2 · 23 May 2021, 06:55 (Ref:4052805)

That’s right because they weren’t top 30 when set.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 23 May 2021, 10:03 (Ref:4052824)

Qualifying Result Day 1:

Apart from Ed Carpenter and Rinus VeeKay in 4th and 5th, that was total domination by Honda, as qualifying goes into Day 2 for the Last Row Shoot Out and the Fast Nine Shoot Out.

The field average was 230.565 mph, up on last year's. which was 229.570 mph.

tux · 23 May 2021, 17:19 (Ref:4052930)

Anyone have any idea what's going on? There's only 5 cars running today?

**joeb** · 23 May 2021, 17:24 (Ref:4052932)

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Originally Posted by tux

Anyone have any idea what's going on? There's only 5 cars running today?

The first set of qualifying is to figure out who's going to make the last three spots. There are five drivers competing which means two people will not make the field.

And will power just hit the wall!

The second qualifying session today will be to set the top nine positions. Positions 10 through 30 were set yesterday.

**joeb** · 23 May 2021, 17:40 (Ref:4052934)

All five drivers have now had their turn, and each went slower than the previous driver. Right now we have Karem, Power, and Simona in the final three spots.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 23 May 2021, 17:46 (Ref:4052935)

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Originally Posted by joeb

All five drivers have now had their turn, and each went slower than the previous driver. Right now we have Karem, Power, and Simona in the final three spots.

As they are only allowed one attempt, what are they all doing still sitting in their cars?

tux · 23 May 2021, 17:51 (Ref:4052939)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

As they are only allowed one attempt, what are they all doing still sitting in their cars?

You arent allowed to run again for like 50 minutes. Its such a dumb format. You give them an hour long session but after a run but it takes an hour to cool the car down

So now you get 50 minutes of people sitting around when the results already decided.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 23 May 2021, 18:00 (Ref:4052941)

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Originally Posted by tux

You arent allowed to run again for like 50 minutes. Its such a dumb format. You give them an hour long session but after a run but it takes an hour to cool the car down

So now you get 50 minutes of people sitting around when the results already decided.

You aren't allowed to run again for 50 minutes? I didn't know that. That is ridiculous.

peebee2 · 23 May 2021, 18:03 (Ref:4052943)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tux

You arent allowed to run again for like 50 minutes.

Utter rubbish!!

peebee2 · 23 May 2021, 18:02 (Ref:4052942)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

As they are only allowed one attempt, what are they all doing still sitting in their cars?

You can go out as much as you want, but at the moment the three in will wait to see if the two out improve. The two will try and wait until the last minute. We will see who blinks first.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 23 May 2021, 18:31 (Ref:4052947)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

You can go out as much as you want, but at the moment the three in will wait to see if the two out improve. The two will try and wait until the last minute. We will see who blinks first.

I stand corrected. So Power just scrapes in to the last row.

Who is going to get Pole?

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