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OKay..i said i shall not participate in this topic any further...but i think its okay for me to say that the post neutral made is interesting for reading...nice writing there...nevermind the moral of the story~
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Sorry about carrying on with this, but since when has TGF been punished for his indiscretions. He gained a WDC in '94, and was stripped of second in the WDC in '97. Jeez, the man must be gutted
![]() The only reason I made any comment on this is because he is trying to excuse himself from responsibility because others (Senna, Prost) were playing similar, stupid games. The responsibility for his actions are his and his alone, and yet all he can do is rationalise his lack of sportsmanship and ethics as 'part of the game'. And now there are some here who would have me applaud him for his 'honesty' (which to my mind isn't the act of admitting to something so obvious that you can't deny it) and not even be in any way sorry about his actions. One question. If TGF were taken out in the last race by his nearest rival in the WDC and lost it to this other driver what do you think his reaction to this would be? And what would you TGF fans make of it? Think honestly on this. |
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There on the 1993 Highlights Video is TGF screaming that Senna should be banned for doing what now TGF says is "what you have to do to win."
My mother always told me that "everybody else does" is not a defence. The only thing I can find of marginal interest in this whole mess is that finally TGF has admitted that he has been lying all these years about what he did, that he did in fact deliberately try to injure or perhaps kill his rivals for the championship, and that he believes this is not only acceptable behaviour but necessary. Had he succeeded in killing Jacques but winning the championship, I wonder if he would have sent flowers to the funeral? Which makes me believe that the ideal Ferrari/McLaren pilot would be Tony Soprano. |
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Something similar i think Angst, was the incident with DC in the rain which played a large part in wrecking his championship. The one where DC decided to lift off the gas coming round the corner, after holding him up for a while, (whilst being lapped) in the pouring rain. We saw there how MS reacted. DC escaped punishment probably coz his stupidity endangered himself aswell as MS.
If it were to happen, he would be upset, the fans would be upset and it would be up to the ruling body to give a decision. Just like in 94 and 97. Besides, MS is not asking for forgiveness and neither are his fans. It doesn't matter because even if he said sorry ppl aren't going to change their opinions and nor should they. |
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Well it wasn't Alesi and it wont be most of the other apathetic drivers out there.
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The other day I was watching the Bruce Lee story, and the last lines went something like this...
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Adelaide '94, Jerez '97, Spa '98 (where he accused Coulthard of trying to kill him after crashing into the back of his car), his admonishment of Frentzen for saying Ferrari were using some form of traction control (or traction enhancement
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Telemetry showed that DC did NOT lift off and "cause" TGF to ram the back of his car at Spa - believe it or not, it was a stupid mistake by TGF WHO WAS SHOWING OFF...with a significant lead already in hand and the race as good as won, he himself ploughed it and then tried hysterically and unsucessfully to blame it on everyone else. As usual.
This old stock car drivers' technique of getting your version of the story before the public first, so people will believe you in spite of the truth, no longer works when everything can be documented. It's as stupid as making a death threat on television and then saying you were misquoted. (Prost did that.) What I can't understand is why he would bother to lie when he must know that eventually he will have to tell the truth anyway? |
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My is at his best now
IMO TGF is better now than ever, because he's got rid of his brainless attacking style and no longer punts off drivers. The Ferrari is so fast and handles so bloody well he can put genuine moves on people that will stick. He seems more focussed now on racing than ever before.
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This was the most ridiculous FIA's decision ever, and for sure wasn't a punishment! |
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First of all, may I congratulate Neutral on an entertaining post. Not only entertaining but for me it highlighted what we are really saying here. That is that even if it's morally wrong, the financial and commercial reasons for "cheating" over ride honesty and integrity.
Surely then we should all walk away from this "sport" and leave it to the moneymen. But no we don't do that because every so often we get someone honest and courageous enough to stand up and be counted in actions rather than words. Both, Hill and JV did it in their own way. Again though I find it necessary to repeat what I said earlier. Motorsport is dangerous. To deliberately (and not through error) make it more dangerous is stupid beyond belief. And to assume that because a car is travelling relatively slowly it is not very dangerous to "nerf" it, is to demonstrate a complete lack of imagination. Even if no injuries result, the possibility was still there. Imagine what would have resulted if (at Jerez) JV's wheels had ridden over the Ferrari's and tipped him upside down into the gravel. But maybe that's just a leap too far for blind passion. |
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As far as i'm concerned it's up to the ppl inside F1 to morally and ethically judge themselves, and not me. I am a Michael fan because to me, he is the centerpiece of F1 through his sheer will alone. One day he will most likely fall down, because most ppl who constantly push the boundarys like he does will eventually fail. But at least i get to see 'everything' he has to offer, unlike most of the others out there. I guess some ppl look for role models and Saints. And thats why ppl wish Michael dead, or say JPM is disrespecting a marshall's family when he has an arguement. Or DC and Eddie are bad ppl coz they date a lot of women. Last edited by drexel; 22 Jun 2001 at 06:21. |
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TGF has NEVER proved himself, has EVER had winning cars and a number one status. And most of his results are due to cheating and/or team work, and have NOTHING to part with skill. He's not the best driver, has never been, will never be. He's a built character much more that a racer and/or a champion. He's the perfect expression of present F1, a show business that has nothing to part with sport. |
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You were gunna give up on this three pages ago. You know, peace and love and lets forgive and forget. Michael's an A hole but lets keep his brilliance in perspective. Face it baby, The sucks almost as hard as his brother. Hard call I know, but someone's gotta make it! ![]() |
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Notice how I've stayed wel clear of this topic?? You know my views about it all. I'm NOT having this row again.
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