Porsche WSC-95 & LMP1-98 - Page 3

Ted bennett · 2 Mar 2009, 23:27 (Ref:2407707)

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Originally Posted by Nordic

Nope, I read it as the LM winning car was (XJR-14 #791) WSC 95 001.

002 and 003 were both new cars and did not morph from TWR cars.

002 was the sister entry at LM to 001 in 98 and 96.

003 Did it ever race? did 001 become 003, then revert to 001 to increase the value? or it is sitting in a workshop unloved and unbuilt?

Is that correct?

I took the 03 number as to mean the build number from the original batch of three which was later given the chassis number 791.

vs346 · 3 Mar 2009, 02:34 (Ref:2407794)

Ok, now my head hurts.

The logical explanation, I think, was that 001 was kept in a museum, and 002 and 003 were converted for 1998.

CTD · 3 Mar 2009, 07:56 (Ref:2407850)

OK we need to simplify this thread!
How many Chassis where made?
Which where converted from Jaguar to WSC (Joest)
Which where build as WSC (Joest)
Which where later converted into the Porsche Lmp?
And finely, which where put in a museum?

Samoan Attorney · 3 Mar 2009, 08:42 (Ref:2407869)

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTD

OK we need to simplify this thread!
How many Chassis where made?
Which where converted from Jaguar to WSC (Joest)
Which where build as WSC (Joest)
Which where later converted into the Porsche Lmp?
And finely, which where put in a museum?

One thing I can say for certain is that the Weaver/Raphanel/Murry car for 1998 is at the Porsche factory in Leipzig.

td2001 · 3 Mar 2009, 14:40 (Ref:2408118)

Ok gentlemen, this is the first and last time I'm going to post about this subject.
Chassis 591 was crashed by Davy Jones at Lime Rock. It was rebuilt as a show car and is kept in Duncan Dayton's shop.
Chassis 691 was crashed by Davy Jones at Elkhart Lake ans was a write off. The remains were returned to TWR in England.
(I would add that none of the accidents were Davy's fault, they were because no one ever did the IMSA load case for the wheels)
Chassis 791 was used until the end of the 94 season and then became Porsche WSC 95-01.
Porsche WSC 95-02 was built from a new chassis and was never, ever, used as a Jaguar.

WSC 95-01 won Le Mans twice and is retained by Joest.
WSC 95-02 is retained by Porsche in a museum.

A "new" car was built by TWR using a new tub and given the chassis plate # 691. This car is still in England and is in the care of a very good owner.

The TWO new Astec built tubs were used as follows, one was used to build WSC 95-02 and the other was used to re-build XJR-14-691 as a new car.

There never was a third Porsche car.

I hope this clears up what is really a simple situation, but very few people have ever asked.
Tony Dowe

Samoan Attorney · 3 Mar 2009, 15:12 (Ref:2408147)

Tony

many thanks for taking the time and trouble to clarify the position.

jb

Dunlop Corner · 3 Mar 2009, 15:41 (Ref:2408184)

So the double winner had an unlucky return in 1998 as a Porsche LMP?

How much different was the Porsche LMP from the TWR WSC?

MulsanneMike · 3 Mar 2009, 23:30 (Ref:2408519)

Regarding WSC-95 "003", that information comes out of Race Car Engineering Vol 6, No 2 page 60 which states:

"Three TWR-Porsche WSC cars have been built. The prototype was actually based upon a modified XJR-14 chassis, and had a 'packed down' 100-liter fuel tank. The other two monocoques, like all the XJR-14s, were built new in the UK by Astec (a TWR Group company) with 80-liter capacity tankage."

MulsanneMike · 4 Mar 2009, 00:11 (Ref:2408534)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MulsanneMike

Regarding WSC-95 "003", that information comes out of Race Car Engineering Vol 6, No 2 page 60 which states:

"Three TWR-Porsche WSC cars have been built. The prototype was actually based upon a modified XJR-14 chassis, and had a 'packed down' 100-liter fuel tank. The other two monocoques, like all the XJR-14s, were built new in the UK by Astec (a TWR Group company) with 80-liter capacity tankage."

Further to this. I don't post this to contradict Tony, merely pointing out the source for my assertion that there were 2 Astec WSC-95 tubs...Shows you how important it is get the story straight the first time around...here it is 14 years later and all this time wasted about how many chassis were originally built when the author typed '3' instead of 2. Hence it is equally important to document this type of information now because in 20 years there won't be any living sources available to dispute the written word. And think of the mayhem that would spawn..manic searches for non-existent cars because it was once reported there was one more than accounted for.

The359 · 4 Mar 2009, 00:24 (Ref:2408541)

Is it possible a monocoque was built but never became a full car?

td2001 · 4 Mar 2009, 00:32 (Ref:2408546)

Is it possible a monocoque was built but never became a full car?

NO!

MulsanneMike · 4 Mar 2009, 00:39 (Ref:2408550)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The359

Is it possible a monocoque was built but never became a full car?

Based on the above exchange...no. Seems the original article has a mistake in it.

The Badger · 4 Mar 2009, 09:14 (Ref:2408679)

I was never under the impression that there was more than 2 Porsche WSC's .

Allan Dane · 2 May 2009, 21:46 (Ref:2454262)

How do the Mazda's then fill in??? http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgur...a%3DN%26um%3D1..

Hugewally · 6 May 2009, 23:29 (Ref:2456865)

End of the line re-badged Jaguar (which were...).

MulsanneMike · 7 May 2009, 20:12 (Ref:2457495)

Well in fairness the MXR-01s were all originals. None were rebadged Jags. 5 were built.

Hugewally · 8 May 2009, 01:00 (Ref:2457633)

Well I'll be...

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