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Is there gonna be a CRT championship?
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I havent heard anything to suggest it. Lets hope not or it will devalue things a bit. When they did it in F1 in 1987 with the Jim Clark cup for the then new non-turbo 3.5 litre cars it was won by Jonathon Palmer and to this day he still tells people he was an F1 world champion... So you see it encourages BS merchants to modify the past, so should be avoided
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I just wonder about the influx of some of these CRT riders...
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7 Dec 2011, 07:55 (Ref:2996307) | #55 | ||
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o be honest CRT is a wasteland for old riders.
De Puniet cant get a ride coz he costs too uch in parts, Edwards is biding time, Ellison has had a couple of goes and proved little. And the rest are there because they are not getting paod or are very cheap and bringing money, like Hernandez. Some of them to be frank are not even WSS level! Meaning they wouldnt get into the top 10 even there so no way should they be in GP. But what can you do when the top class has totally proced itself out of anyones markets but Honda's. Ducatoi can onl afford to be there becaise of Marlboro! |
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7 Dec 2011, 16:36 (Ref:2996552) | #56 | ||
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well it is certainly going to be interesting next season (or more realisitically) to see how the CRT things plays out in affecting future changes to Motogp, simply from the budget position, as it is pretty clear that a change is wanted to open it up more from the folks in charge.
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12 Dec 2011, 20:36 (Ref:2998911) | #57 | ||
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thing is .. even with the likes of Hernandez or Silva .. the gap from the first to the last is still smaller that 20 years ago ..
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14 Dec 2011, 09:56 (Ref:2999598) | #58 | ||
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And what was that gap 20 years ago - how many seconds, what do we expect the gap to be in 2012 between factory bike & CRT bike?
Think HRT in F1 are usually 5 or 6 seconds a lap slower than Red bull... |
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I think the best way to judge CRT is against Moto2 bikes
Many years ago in the early 90's a decent 250 time would have you in the top 20 on any 500 grid and a front row would probably be top10, and some of the guys at the back of the 500 grid were only just quicker than the best 125 times! I would think a good Moto2 rider like Marques could probably be almost as quick as a Hernandez or Fores on a CRT bike, less power, less aids and a more developed chassis. Maybe not at all tracks, but lets face it most GP tracks are mickey mouse these days and suited to low powered bikes, its why there are so many crashes in GP due to lean angle and tyre warmup. CRT is the future for me, cheaper, easier to get into and basically Moto2 for the big class. The manufacturers don't like it because they have spent millions developing electronics, tech, employing engineers, developing chassis, engines to see it all wiped out by a Moriwaki with a tuned up Ninja motor in it! You can see their point, but typically even though their world is falling down around them they won't budge. Reminds me of early DTM, ITC, WSPC, FIA GT1, WRC. If they don't budge I am with Ezpeleta here roll over them and just enforce the rules anyway. |
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One question my friend keeps asking is what is the big problem with small grids? A lot of yous here seem to really dislike them, and I try to argue that it is not a good thing for the sport. He feels it doesn't really impact the quality of racing negatively, as the cameras rarely focus on backmarkers anyways. I say that big grids mean the sport is "healthy" (typically) but beyond that...? I think it is nice that Moto2 (and now Moto3?) grids have become massive, and I think it is kinda pathetic that there were only 17 bikes in GP last year, but beyond the above... What are the negatives if any?
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The negatives are in a small grid that there are not many rides to go around.
There seems to be less bikes and that is bad. You only really have three manufacturers, Honda Ducati and Yamaha. And most of them are stepped from a works team to satellite teams running year old bikes and older tech. It is cyclical, it was the same in the late 80's which is why Yamaha made the decision to make the YZR500 available, a move remarkably similar to CRT when you think about it. You can enter the class with this sort of engine and build you own chassis, hardly anyone actually bought a YZR, most went to ROC ro Harris and had chassis built, as they will in CRT. It even went full circle with Yamaha using a ROC chassis to win races in 1993. I think 2013 will be much better, CRT is a good thing, but while there are factory teams it's always going to be a two tier thing, but that isnt bad. It's impossible in the current climate to have tens of factory bikes as it is simply is too expensive to make and build them. Look at F1, still the same teams, the new ones are struggling despite spending tens of millions! So dont expect CRT teams to suddenly be up there beating Stoner and Lorenzo, but in certain situations a Puniet or Edwards could well get to the top 6 maybe. |
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I would have rather seen the factories hand out the 800's to small teams for this season with some rules to keep them competitive. That with the factory 1000's would have been nice. The CRT concept as a racing series wont be clear until the entire grid is made up of them.
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The less bikes there are, the less action there is on the track for them to watch. Only 17 bikes going around means alot of dead time for a fan on the hill waiting for the bikes to come around again on another lap. |
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Yeah, somehow neither of us thought of that.
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To be honestm, with the facilities and prices at GP emeting I would never even consider going to watch it
it simply doesnt represent value for money in any way at all. I would always only go on a Friday or Saturday to watch qually |
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on another note, to have better competition at the top you have to have good competition at the bottom: the top guys have to beat the guys right underneath them to win, those guys have to beat the midfielders, the midfielders have to beat the backmarkers, no backmarker wants to finish last: it's a positive feedback loop as everyone is pushing everyone above them; when the back of a field deteriorates it's usually not long til the deterioration travels further up the field |
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West signed for Moto2 .. this should make chunder rather happy
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the man is pathetic to be honest
Who would want that ride apart from a loser like him, he just moans relentlessly abotu not getting good rides. there might be a good reason for that. Hope he doesnt last the season |
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