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27 May 2019, 09:33 (Ref:3906280) | #51 | |
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Sunday's press conference was so much better than what was dished up on Saturday night. I hope the same three muppets don't get on the podium together again. Ten minutes of your life you'll never get back. Scott telling tall stories & looking very uncomfortable, Davy trying to be funny and talking rubbish, Chaz had way better things to do at home by the sound of it. If I was his team manager I would have told him maybe he should stay home next round. They get the wrong guys together and it's just waste of time.
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28 May 2019, 02:13 (Ref:3906434) | #52 | ||
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I still can't believe Coulthard got penalised.
1. We've almost never seen penalties for inter-team contact. 2. Surely if you go around the outside and turn in, it is your responsibility to not hit the car you are passing Am I wrong? |
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28 May 2019, 03:43 (Ref:3906441) | #53 | |
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Not wrong. Scott tried a low percentage move and good on him for going for it, but... when it goes wrong surely the blame lays with him? Or better yet, racing incident?
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28 May 2019, 09:35 (Ref:3906469) | #54 | |
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It was a racing incident. Scott had hardly been on the racing line for most of the opening lap, and had already picked up two spots. Then trying a third pass so early in the lap with cold tyres was pushing his luck. Seeing it was FC he would have thought here's an easy pass, expecting FC to part the red sea for him. He expected people to be nice and let him on to the racing line for the first time in the race. Would love to have seen what penalty Chaz would have got if he'd punted Scott off at turn nine. Scott blocked him hard, Chaz locked the front right if I remember rightly.
Scott felt he had rights to the corner, his corner he said. Scott never took any responsibility in any of the interviews I saw. seemed more than happy for FC to take all the blame. |
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Would have tested out Bairdo had Scott clunked into someone other than Fabs and run them off. Davey for example. Or better still JW. That would have started World War III. Redresses are dumb. Scott ought to know. He got tangled up in a big one at Bathurst a few years ago. What penalty would Scott have got had he stayed in the lead after the re-join? |
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29 May 2019, 03:20 (Ref:3906650) | #56 | ||
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I feel like fabs penalty was given (at least partly) to justify letting Scott go. If Scott hadn't (illegally) redressed, stayed out in front as you said, would fabs have even been penalized? |
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29 May 2019, 13:00 (Ref:3906721) | #57 | ||
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Rewrite the rejoin rules. GREAT idea !
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29 May 2019, 13:12 (Ref:3906724) | #58 | |
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If teams and drivers stopped taking the mickey, we wouldn't need so many rule adjustments.
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The ability to review every incident in detail and apportion blame has not benefited the sport at all. And this is compounded by a penalty system that lacks clarity, is opaque to the keen motor sport follower, let alone the casual viewer and is applied inconsistently within a single race let alone across an entire season. Race control should limited penalties to clear breaches of safety (eg speeding in pit lane or jumped starts) and not try to apply a penalty system that treats motor sport as some kind of ball sport where penalties can be apportioned should competitors come into contact. Motor sport does not need referees or umpires to provide a safe and enjoyable sport for competitors, spectators and TV viewers. |
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30 May 2019, 00:26 (Ref:3906858) | #60 | |
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FWIW - any instruction provided at a race meeting becomes a rule for that meeting.
The controversy, as I understand it, has been answered by clarification of the instruction (a rule) regarding leaving the circuit at T5 and rejoining - these instructions were provided as part of the drivers briefing notes. What was instructed was fine. Where Scott rejoined was fine. For me the real controversy in this has been that Rule 3.3.2 in Schedule B Code of Driving Conduct was seemingly ignored. In providing an instruction (a rule), unless you specifically reference other rules that are to be replaced by it, all rules are in effect. The rule is clear that in rejoining the circuit you can't gain an advantage. It doesn't say "you can't gain a position". I believe to have complied with both Rules, Scott needed to rejoin exactly where he did but then fall back to a position immediately in front of Fabian, which is where he was when he left the circuit. It is important to read 3.3.2 in its entirety, accepting that it is in effect if you leave the track "for any reason" - which includes being punted. Let's suppose I'm wrong, and the ruling that Scott's rejoin/redress was fine, if I was DJRTP I'd be asking why Fabian received a penalty, as the result from the contact didn't impact Scott - but it did Fabian who fell to 17th(?). Had Scott rejoined and dropped to 16th, the penalty for Fabian would have been justified. |
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I'd love to see this for say 5 or 6 rounds and see where we are, and what the racing looks like by that last round. |
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Maybe motorsport as a whole needs to advocate that if you leave the circuit then you drop to the back of everyone on the same lap as you, or perhaps a mandatory drive through? It's a plague and I hate it. |
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Partly for sure.
I'd say subpar education and the *******ization of the English language are also to blame - advantage has a very clear definition. It doesn't mean you gain a position (although that does seem to be the contemporary definition). I'm lucky enough to watch a fair bit of motorsport and this issue isn't confined to Supercars by any means. |
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My take on the rejoin issue is if you fall off the sweeper for any reason from Flag Point 5 onwards you must rejoin PRIOR to Flag Point 7 (aka The Tank), this eliminates the head on issue McLaughlin mentioned.
They could also put a tyre wall in to block the turn 8 short cut similar to the one before turn 3 at Sandown to stop the off at 1 rejoin at 3 short cuts there. |
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