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17 Nov 2022, 13:09 (Ref:4134028) | #51 | ||
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Wow, the damage control makes Max look like an even bigger baby…and I’m a fan!
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What's the phrase about some people not being able to even lie straight in bed?
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17 Nov 2022, 14:08 (Ref:4134037) | #53 | |
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I'll be very surprised if Lambiasi remains as Max's race engineer next year. The "Are we clear about that?" comment was so immensely disrespectful, properly punching down.
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17 Nov 2022, 14:14 (Ref:4134038) | #54 | ||
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F1 is more divisive than ever. Many F1 fans used to look at fanatical football fans with utter distain, but that is what the sport has now become.
Red Bull and their senior staff have input more than their fair share into these kind of divisive narratives, which inevitably leads to negative reactions and abuse from idiots, trolls and swivel eyed-loons. Welcome to the 21st century. Anyone with a keyboard can spout hate straight into the ear of drivers, teams and their respective families. I genuinely think if I was involved in the sport in some kind of high profile way that I would have absolutely no traceable online presence and I would encourage my family to be anonymous as well. Oh - and RBR telling us that their none of their team of dozens of strategists with their supercomputers and gaming headsets envisaged the situation is either incompetence in the extreme (and results prove that they are not incompetent) or simply not true. |
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I'm not a Red Bull fan. Actually I'm not a fan of any particular team. By the time you get to the tender age of 62, favourite teams and drivers are neither here nor there. Why do you say Red Bull and their senior staff have input more than their fair share into these kind of divisive narratives? |
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Marko (when Hamilton had previously been experiencing back pain): "Hamilton got out of the car quickly today. When he’s on the podium, it’s a lot easier" Mark: "I mean, [Hamilton] was lapped by us, so maybe he should have stopped last year." Horner: "I’ve never once ever heard Lewis recognise Max’s ability." Horner: "It’s one of the fastest corners in the world, you don’t stick a wheel up the inside, that’s just dirty driving." I'm not saying that others are exempt from criticism, but the comments from Red Bull about (particularly) Hamiton always seem to carry a bit of a snarky tone. |
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17 Nov 2022, 14:58 (Ref:4134041) | #57 | ||
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Verstappen vs Hamilton / Red Bull vs Mercedes 2021 and the utterly tribal toxic narrative around that. I assume that horrible diversifying example in itself is enough and that i don't need to dig into anything else?
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I think Red Bull have not helped the situation, but the main problem is a mixture of more F1 fans being drawn in naturally meaning more awful fans, combined with the fact that social media always brings out the worst in people and F1 is more associated now with social media. Then maybe we can throw in a bit of DTS encouraging rivalries and the media generally looking for headlines as they have always done, plus Hamilton and Verstappen being quite divisive characters (not their fault) and last year being particularly exciting and controversial. And the end product is, sadly, a horribly toxic fanbase.
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17 Nov 2022, 16:39 (Ref:4134049) | #61 | ||
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most public individuals who say offensive things are quickly told by their people to apologize, issue an (imo usually phoney) apology, donate some money and everyone moves on to the next twitter outrage.
When its Max calling Stroll or steward an offensive name or this time ignoring his team over the radio etc he always refuses to apologize, choses to stand by what he originally said as if that somehow excuses him from responsibility, then a few days or a week goes by and the fallout gets worse so others apologize on his behalf, and then and only then Max will himself also apologize while making it clear its the rest of us who are wrong for requiring this sort of public contrition. its his pattern...one i must admit i forgive or have ignored way too frequently because he is really really good at sports. of course i agree that no one should be subject to bullying whether in person or on line and members of the team or their children at school shouldn't bear the brunt of it...but exactly how am i supposed to react when it is the bully being bullied? is turn about no longer fair play? |
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Back in the days when you tried not to have overt team orders. And Felipe did let Fernando past. And old Smedders was super respectful to Massa - even when telling him where to brake for Saints Devote.
I don’t think that there was a request is Greem’s point. |
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18 Nov 2022, 00:11 (Ref:4134083) | #68 | ||
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haha yes. I miss his soothing tone on the F1 radio airwaves.
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Filipe-baby!
Maybe Red Bull should say Maxi-baby to soothe him |
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Just while we're on the subject: me & Smedley back in 2015 on the day he was awarded an honorary degree at work. A thoroughly nice bloke with a very nice family.
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18 Nov 2022, 09:09 (Ref:4134100) | #71 | ||
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Black shirt, tie and jacket is a strong look, I like it!
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https://the-race.com/formula-1/verst...sage-hakkinen/ Two-time Formula 1 world champion Mika Hakkinen believes fellow double champion Max Verstappen has sent his Red Bull team-mate Sergio Perez an important message with his team orders refusal. Quote:
Keep in mind that Max's father (who many of you love so dearly ) was around in the Schumacher era. In fact he was his team mate for a while. He will have been able to witness first hand how a strong driver can built a team around him and claim a position of power. Max wasn't random in his refusal, he announced it to the team before hand. The team should've realised Max his position in the team and spared themselves the embarrassment they have to go through now after acknowledging the situation. Anyway, I am guilty of dragging this on longer than it's probably worth. |
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18 Nov 2022, 12:42 (Ref:4134119) | #73 | ||
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Nope, he does not. Feel free to quote the relevant part, but my advise would be to read it again before quoting it.
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Maybe every time Max or Christian tells an obvious lie we should get Jos to slap them and leave them at a petrol station. |
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