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Had it not been for dropped scores in 1963 it would have happened..... Clark scored in every race bar Monaco, and thus with only the 6 best results counting dropped from 73 to 54 nett. 2nd placed Hill only scored in 5 races so maintained his 29 points.
In 1954 IF all scores had counted it would have been the case with Fangio and Gonzalez. Pre dropping scores they were 57.14 > 26.64 which nett became 42 > 25.14 Last edited by E.B; 2 Nov 2023 at 04:39. |
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We're all arguing semantics over a tongue in cheek comment.
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I suspect those in management at RBR didn't exactly cheer like the rest of us when Alonso repassed Perez on the last lap.....
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It's hard to argue Sergio did well in Brazil, but it's easy to argue that he did what he needed to do. There was 2 races, and he outscored Lewis in both. He now has 32 point gap with 2 races to go. It's unlikely he'll lose his second place.
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True enough. It must be frustrating for the guy, seeing your teammate stroll to 17 wins in a single season.....
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He also scored more than 50% of Verstappen's points, although I think remains below 50% of his season total, which has been suggested could be something of note in his contract. |
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Agreed. And whilst everyone (including me) is ready to criticise Perez, RBR are getting away remarkably lightly in the discussion about a driver in their second seat failing again. We should be having discussions about Webber, Ricciardo, Kvyat, Gasly and Albons failures in that seat, and why.
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Apart from Mark, they've all been toasted by VER. A lot of people haven't recognised just what a generational talent VER is, which perhaps makes their judgements of his team-mates worse than otherwise they might be.
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I don't think it was a consistent dominance by Verstappen over Ricciardo - when you look at 2016 and 2017.
It took until 2018 before Verstappen got the other hand, his third season in the car. Pérez is a bit behind that curve - and likely to be second favourite within the team for a while with Max around. |
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Ricc was/is a very high-level driver, but the direction of travel was very clear from the start IMO.
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I don't think there's any doubt at all what a talent Max is. You don't luck into three WDC's and 17 wins in a season without being the best, however he also has a near-unbeatable car and a team which is geared totally towards achieving success with him. That's not a criticism, it's all about maximising what you have available to you. 2016/17 were now 6/7 years ago and Max has matured as a driver and has the confidence that comes with being able to literally brush aside the opposition. This season he's basically only had to turn up to know he would win. I think there are one or two other drivers out there who are/could be as good, but they don't have his complete package and even if one of them replaced Perez they'd be on the back foot from the start. You would need to have huge confidence in your ability to go to RBR alongside Max right now as it could literally be a career ending move.
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Yes, that was a bad strategy to send him out a little later than Max with rain threatening. He didn't stand a chance with the yellow
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He needs to have two great performances in the last couple of races in order to retain his Red Bull seat. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a surprise if we see him get replaced by Ricciardo or maybe some other driver.
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The general consensus at the moment is that he will certainly be starting next season in the car. Who knows how things go from there!
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