I Can't Believe It: Who should have won?/75% (merged)

[BootsOntheSide]

Fisichella was the rightful winner. He was leading at the end of lap 54, which is when the result should've been taken from. Do you think the officials are trying to bribe McLaren (and Mercedes) with all this? Fisichella, under the refulations, appears to have been robbed.

Of course, DC was the likely winner had the race gone to distance. This is a repeat of Canada 1997, when he pitted the lap before Panis crashed to red-flag the race (stalling in the process and dropping to 7th). So they were both unlucky, Rubens even more so.

[Mekola]

I'm not much to add, but it's clearly Fisichella the winner of the race.

[R]

Fisichella should have won. He passed Kimi and was leading the race when it was red flagged. It was not red flagged due to Webber's incident, it was red flagged when Alonso ploughed into the debris (a tyre) from Webber's car.

Technically speaking, Kimi probably won. Morally speaking, Fisi definitely won.

[Adam43]

Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
Fisichella was the rightful winner. He was leading at the end of lap 54, which is when the result should've been taken from. Do you think the officials are trying to bribe McLaren (and Mercedes) with all this? Fisichella, under the refulations, appears to have been robbed.

No I don't.

I think the rules say Kimi. However I've not had chance to check them out apart from what O'Schumacher posted. Too busy here!

[Snrub]

Originally posted by Glen
Considering that Fisi's car was ablaze minutes later I'd say he was pretty lucky that the race was stopped at all! Kimi deserved it - he did some great stuff throughout.

In terms of true merit, Fisi deserved it from a driver's standpoint. I suppose you could argue Kimi deserved it from a car/team standpoint. Fisi put in a better driver performance.

[TeddyG]

Originally posted by corkholio
JV (not Verstappen) was so far off the pace today that he didn't even deserve points.

It was pretty clear that he put in a hellofa lot of fuel after his first stop, probably to the end of the race his car was only just starting to really pick up at the end there (JV set the fastest first sector)...he could have had a podium IMO if they had restarted!

[golem]

Raikkonen needed another stop no doubt. Didn't you see how Fisi got by? His car was squirming about same as DC's right before he pitted. Fisi, meanwhile, was on bridgestones that had lasted great for half a race and with one stop to go, he would have been on the better tyre for the drying conditions with those rivers still forcing wets.
Both needed to pit I'm sure of it. I imagine Raikkonen might have got in front again but the last few laps would have been interesting and very telling as to how much tyres can play a part.

But there's a certain truth to Villeuve and DC getting a little shafted by the timing. And I feel sorry for Alonso but, considering the yellows were out and radio must have been working... he was carrying a little much speed through you think?

I still can't believe Rubin of the Black Brazil Cat.

And I doubt it's a fix but it's still the shaft.

[Matthopps]

This is one that will definately run and run.. just one point: Is it just me or did Fisichella come from practically no-where to suddenly be right in contention? I think DC deserved to win, after leading for the majority of the afternoon, in fact anyone still running at the end deserved to win, simply for keeping it on the island - something former/reigning champions and race winners could not do.

[alfasud]

I seem to remember a lot of aussies complaining about the result of that Bathurst touring car race where a Nissan won, (beating the Holdens/Fords) after a similar countback.

I wonder if those same aussies would now argue that Webber should not be classified as a finisher.

The rules are writen the way they are for a reason. People must remember that the only official timing is at the start/finish line so you MUST count back at least to that point when the lead car past the start finish line.

Now if you count the PREVIOUS lap (where the lead car past start/finish line) there are also some strange situations that can occur when, for example one of the lead cars crashes just after the start/finish line (causing red flags). So if you count the positions at the end of that previous lap, you will find there are only one or two cars who have completed that lap, so how do you classify the others?????...... from the PENULTIMATE lap.

So rather than count *some* (the lead cars) from the last complete lap and others from the PENULTIMATE lap, the whole race is taken from the PENULTIMATE lap. At least that's my understanding.

Yes Fisi deserved the win (so did Rubens and others), but we can't have a system of rules that gives the race to the one that ten-tenths think "deserves" the win..... you need a consistant set of rules that people can apply to every red flagged race.

[Dave Brenchley]

What is bad, regardless of what the rule actually is, is how much ambiguity exists.

Whatever you think about Jordan they are a professional outfit and they wouldn't have been celebrating if they hadn't genuinely thought they had won. The rule shouldn't be so ambiguous that they don't know.

Even allowing Jordans mistake, it still took a good 5 or 10 mins for an official result to be declared, which suggests to me that even the race stewards didn't know the rules without going and looking in a book...

For a live event in front of 100s of millions of viewers, it's not good enough.....

[enemy-ace]

Originally posted by Snrub
In terms of true merit, Fisi deserved it from a driver's standpoint. I suppose you could argue Kimi deserved it from a car/team standpoint. Fisi put in a better driver performance.

Fisi drove a nice safe race and stayed out of trouble. The multitude of yellows and the conditions better suiting his Bridgestones at the end are what allowed him to be where he was at the end. He did what any good GP driver would do; but being a cut above? Sorry don't think so! He drove like Coulthard did in Australia.

[Adam43]

Originally posted by Dave Brenchley
What is bad, regardless of what the rule actually is, is how much ambiguity exists.

...it's not good enough.....

Firstly welcome to ten-tenths Dave

Now a lot of fans are going to be left thinking the FIA are either useless, corrupt or both. Which is not good for the fans.

Things aren't helped by the coverage stopping just a few seconds after Kimi was declared the winner. BTW what happened in Corrie?

The official F1.com website was quicker than ITV in declaring Kimi the winner. Although this was just on the timing screen and perhaps it would have been nice to inform the TV stations immediately so that they (even ITV ) could inform the masses!

[MichaelH]

Fisi won the race. I'm staggered at the "result"

[Raven]

It would've been great to see Fisico get that elusive first win, but you can't say the Ice Man Kimi isn't a deserving winner. He bulked up on fuel and kept the tyres going for a long time, look how he passed and pulled away from Ralf with a much heavier car. He got caught a break but you've got to be there to get the luck. I think all drivers deserve a pat on the back and a cool beer after todays race, especially the ones who brought home results.

[golem]

Nope. Webber didn't see the line, no count. End of story. And it's not a Ford or Holden thing. I was always a Richards, Percy and Bowe fan. Oh, and Seton. I actually backed the GT-R's as good cars but, that car was wrecked and not in the lead due to a bad call on tyres. Johnson, another racer, took the right measures. Really, he should have won, his car was still mobile and made it to pit lane.

Hell, Fisi's car set alight in the pits but it made it there. It finished and then blew up. Webber and Alonso, no matter how heart wrenching it would be to see webber lose it all, didn't have running cars.

[Mania]

I thought the way the Jordan team were celebrating like a bunch of schoolboys as soon as Alonso had his crash was really pathetic..and Ive never been a fan of Jordan anyway.

That said, Giancarlo showed a lot of class on the podium..he surely did deserve a win today but he should be happy with 8 points because his car really doesent deserve to be in the points let alone on the 2nd step of the podium.

At the end of the day...rules and rules...and as ridiculous as it is to see Kimi get the win while standing stationary at the pit exit, and Webber and Alonso walk away with points despite crashing on the straight...thats what the rulebook is all about - it's tough but it evens out eventually.

[Tom Fuller]

I'm really worried about Alonso now - will he be able to make Imola? If not, then McNish will have to race. And was Webber actually ok after his shunt?

[touringlegend]

A lot of points here about whether Fisi deserved it or not (IMO he did, he was last passed the finish line) ie his car went on fire in parc ferme etc etc.

I'll refer to Paul Stoodart and what he said before the race:
"F1 is if spelt backwards" And he aint half right! We can all say what if but the fact is that there are facts.

[Hungary 89]

Quick Question

Did Fisi cross the line as leader before the red flag dropped?

[touringlegend]

Alonso looked very winded but what's actually wrong with him?

[Suzy]

Only update I have on Alonso is that he appears to have a hurt leg. Type of injury unknown but doctors say he is "not in danger".

[Hungary 89]

Can Any one answer this question?

Did Fisi Cross the line as leader Before the red flag fell?

[Asp]

Tom ->
Webber looked fine after his shunt, certainly no immediate medical attention as we say with Trulli, he climbed out unaided and was standing trackside after.

[Ej10]

Fissi said he didnt have to pit again. And id like to point out that the engine probably only went on fire because the car was stopped and cooled down. You regularly see it happen in the pits!

[Thorstone]

Originally posted by alfasud
Who would I like to have won?.... Fisichella.
Who should have won?...... whatever the rules say.

I'm agree,maybe Ferrari will notice Fisichella after this
But how often does have MS got a win in incident's like this before?