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Old 20 Oct 2003, 22:41 (Ref:757559)   #51
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So they should use the patented 2002 IndyCar Gold Coast timing system.....
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Old 20 Oct 2003, 22:59 (Ref:757579)   #52
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It may not be a regular thing, it just goes to show you how inconsistent a time penalty can be, and it doesn't always reflect the crime committed
And neither do drive throughs.

Maybe we all just have it wrong - any indiscretion, no matter how small - park the car and disqualify them.

That should the easiest way - no arguments from anyone then...
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Old 20 Oct 2003, 23:03 (Ref:757582)   #53
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Speedy would win then!!! YAY!! Might have to call the race on time not distance tho
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Old 20 Oct 2003, 23:04 (Ref:757584)   #54
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Old 20 Oct 2003, 23:05 (Ref:757587)   #55
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You're right, the current system of 'racing' is flawed.

What do people want to see? Crashes! Let's just make it all a big demolition derby, and you'd have a truckload more punters come along, and there would be no judicial issues. Heck, you could probably get a permit from the AAA!
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I just don't like the idea of on-the-run time penalties, especially for the crowd at the circuit. With the quality of the PA at PI, I wonder how many of the spectators actually knew what had happened...
I was in Bass Strait stand. While the PA left a bit to be desired, it soon became pretty clear what was happening. From then on, you could see people getting out the stop watches (mine's in the mobile phone) and timing the distance between Rossi and Capirossi. That in itself made for an exciting finish to what was a disappointing race (as far as Bayliss went).

Don't underestimate the fans.

For a minor infringement, a 10 sec or whatever length of time, penalty, seems to be a lot fairer than a stop/go, which in our arcane system of racing, where you have long pitlanes at a ridiculous 40 km/h, it pretty well puts paid to what could be a good race. In Rossi's case, he turned the wick up and it was great to watch.
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Old 21 Oct 2003, 01:51 (Ref:757670)   #57
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The penalty worked today because Rossi ****ed off into the distance. What if he was only 9.99sec ahead at the finish? What would happen in the longer races when half the field
MotoGP races are all the same length, like F1 and World Superbikes.

Anyway, the weekend saw the difference between how a world class event can be run, and what we see the rest of the year.

Racetime put it rather succinctly, I reckon, with his comments about time penalties instead of stop/go penalties. I really reflects the amateurism that the V8 scene, CAMS, etc. shows.

And no, this ain't a bike versus cars thing.
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Old 21 Oct 2003, 02:24 (Ref:757684)   #58
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John Bowe Threatens to Quit in inconsistant penalties are not fixed by the GOld Coast race.
What's the problem with "kerb hopping"? If it's such an issue, then turn them into gutters. That'll soon stop them "hopping" them....
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Old 21 Oct 2003, 03:13 (Ref:757706)   #59
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The problem is they can't - this is a Champ Car event and whatever they want overrides anything AVESCO and V8's want.
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OK - I'll rephrase slightly - whilst the Champ Crs are at Surfers the kerbs will be done to suit them and NOT the V8's...
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I don't know. I watch guys like Skaife, Ambrose and Jim Richards lap after lap at places like QR or OP (or anywhere else for that matter), and they are inch perfect. Then they get to a place like Surfers, where the fastest way to get through the high kerbs is to be aggressive. Aggressive equal black flag, and nobody likes it. Once again the NZ star picket would fix it
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Maybe Neil should whip out a few more bollards.... Although I'm half expecting those floppy markers to be there for Surfers
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