Minardi OUT!/PS withdraws legal action... (merged)

[Red]

Originally Posted by ozrevhead

in every other sport or business its a case of majority rules - if the majority votes one way then that is what happens! Why is F1 ANY different????

It *IS* a case or majority rules. In Formula 1. The majority has decided and agreed these new rules. In septemper. And guess what, Mr. Stoddard Paul voted for them too..

[Mathias]

Originally Posted by Red

It *IS* a case or majority rules. In Formula 1. The majority has decided and agreed these new rules. In septemper. And guess what, Mr. Stoddard Paul voted for them too..

But the majority also accepted that it was OK for Minardi to go with the old spec cars... only Ferrari objected, and then it seems Red Bull and one other joined in. You can't have it both ways.

[JohnSSC]

If Minardi cannot compete any longer than they should be off the grid. This whole charade that PS has been running these past few seasons with all of the "drama" as to who would pay top dollar to drive a Minardow that had no hope or potential to be anything but the end of the grid.

Now this farce of whining about how he can't do this or that because Jean Todt and the FIA are making scary faces at him has gone far enough.

PS/Minardi do not belong on the grid. Much as I abhor today's "economic reality" in F1, every other team on the grid has figured out how to at least look like they are putting up some show of respectability. For all of the Jordan's quirks from last year the Team managed some respectable results.

Instead we get young pay drivers forking over $$ that should be getting them a great deal more than what they are paying for.

PS should spend the time he currently utilizes to paint himself as the poster boy for the down-trodden to do something useful such as either find a buyer or more sponsorship.

[ozrevhead]

Originally Posted by Mathias

But the majority also accepted that it was OK for Minardi to go with the old spec cars... only Ferrari objected, and then it seems Red Bull and one other joined in. You can't have it both ways.

case closed

[Adam43]

This is not some competition to pick on little things people say and go "ner ner na ner ner" after it.

What is interesting is that an external court has got involved in the happenings of a GP weekend. That hasn't happened for some time.

[Red]

Nono, case not closed. Or closed, but not the way you want it.

Originally Posted by Mathias

But the majority also accepted that it was OK for Minardi to go with the old spec cars... only Ferrari objected, and then it seems Red Bull and one other joined in. You can't have it both ways.

As a matter of fact I can. The stewards are doing what they're payd to do: to check if anyone is trying to circumvert the *agreed by majority* set of rules. It's not Ferrari's (or RBR, since we're at it, and according to Maximilian Mosley at least another unnamed team) job to check Minardi. And even if all teams would sign that phantasy letter and allow them to race, the stewards STILL have to ban those car. They are supposed to do that.

[ralf fan]

But then you could also say a majority of Minardi's competition who'd have the most to lose by them competiting have agreed to let them race...and this is the same majority who made the rules and dont mind it being violated......always two sides to a story...depends on who you support
As i said before this is just a big mess...and if PS has these 2005 aero parts he should just put them on the car and go out there.....he's still going to be slowest with the 04 spec. judging by the times today...

[Super Tourer]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

This is not some competition to pick on little things people say and go "ner ner na ner ner" after it.

What is interesting is that an external court has got involved in the happenings of a GP weekend. That hasn't happened for some time.

Quite, I'm curious as to how a court would be able to make a ruling on such a complicated matter as FIA tech regs/implications of the CA in the space of a day?

[Red]

Originally Posted by Stoddard

"Now it's in the hands of the court, I really can't say anymore than that except that Minardi will be participating tomorrow, as usual, at the Grand Prix," Stoddart said. "It's really fantastic to actually get on the track in the wake of all the publicity."

[EGG]

Hmm, tried to look for where I might possibly buy a Minardi t-shirt on the web, but it seems Minardi sold more ex-F1 cars than t-shirts last year.

[RWC]

Originally Posted by Super Tourer

Quite, I'm curious as to how a court would be able to make a ruling on such a complicated matter as FIA tech regs/implications of the CA in the space of a day?

I think all they have to do is establish reasonable grounds that minardi have a case?
Enough to allow them to run under protest-they can deal with the exact ruling afterwards

[Red]

He doesn't need that. He'll just fit the 2005-parts, and claim the largest audience over all GP weekend.

[N I Tram]

If they apply the 2005 parts now, the cars will be uncompetitive, prone to spinning (because the aero parts won't've been tested with the chassis), and quite possibly dangerous. Also, their rookie drivers have missed out on 3 hours of vital testing, and PS' home GP has been scuppered for him. There's no way this should've lingered on this long, someone should've made a definite decision much sooner. Minardi have been planning towards this new car for a long time, and obviously want it to be as good as their meagre budgets can manage - cost-cutting rules shouldn't cost the smallest team money.

[Peter Mallett]

In truth Minardi should have made the decision to build the new car. It is a no brainer really.

[Toth]

Originally Posted by N I Tram

someone should've made a definite decision much sooner.

Yes, Paul Stoddart should have. He has 2005 spec wings. He has tested them (see Super Tourer's post a bit further up this thread).

[Red]

It's none other than Stoddard's fault that his rookies missed 2 sessions today.

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by N I Tram

If they apply the 2005 parts now, the cars will be uncompetitive, prone to spinning .....

AS opposed to if they dont andrun last years cars which were uncompetitive and prone to spinning....

[Gabrio]

As there is no case of "force majeure" as referred to by the rules and regulations, there is no legal reason to accept one team running with 2004 specs and not the other nine as well. Ferrari, RBR and Jordand-Midland did not sign the waiver because they cannot be forced to do so. The only legal body able to enact the rules and regulations is FIA.
I like Minardi, but I think Stoddart has a hidden agenda on this matter and that he may be pursuing other interests.....

[f1_carzy]

The latest is that Stoddy has uinconditionally withdrawn the complaint from the court, and is going to comply with a 2005 spec car....

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=23689

[Red]

As if he ever had a case. Anyway, one of his main goals was reached. Publicity.

[alfasud]

Originally Posted by Super Tourer

Quite, I'm curious as to how a court would be able to make a ruling on such a complicated matter as FIA tech regs/implications of the CA in the space of a day?

That's what I was wondering. It sets a very bad precedent if it's true... teams can now go to a local court to rule on what is essentially a technical matter (tempted to use the phrase "kangaroo court" here, but that tends to have a different meaning ). The car doesn't meet the 2005 technical regulations, so that should be the end of it.

Should Ferrari go to a local Italian court to get a ruling on technical matters arrising at Monza? Can a championship be decided by Honda or Toyota going to a local Japanese court at the penultimate round at Suzuka, or maybe some team could try their luck with a Chinese court's understanding of the F1 technical regulations at the final round at Shanghai?

I'm hoping there is some way Paul Stoddart and his team can be thrown out of the championship for bring the series into disrepute, and we don't have to put up with this sort of thing too much longer. F1 should be for teams who willing to build and race current spec F1 cars (which he could do if he wished). If he wants to race pre-2005 spec F1 cars, then maybe he can find a historic series he can enter.

[Redlake27]

One news story that we all missed in this furore is that Minardi have a 2004 car. I thought it was a 2001 spec car.

[Red]

[alfasud]

Originally Posted by f1_carzy

The latest is that Stoddy has uinconditionally withdrawn the complaint from the court, and is going to comply with a 2005 spec car....

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=23689

I liked the bit at the end of the article....

It remains to be seen how the FIA will react, for Stoddart has challenged - with a little help from the Supreme Court of Victoria - the sport's governing body, and this in itself could set a dangerous precedent..

It is worth remembering that in 2006, Melbourne hosts the commonwealth Games. Imagine the scenario whereby an athlete entered in the 100 metres suggests that they haven't had time to train properly and therefore requests that they only have to run 80 metres. Then, on being told that this is not possible, they resort to the Supreme Court of Victoria to challenge the ruling.

That's not as crazy as it sounds, not after today's events.

[nkh]

The sad thing is that it looks like it has been a win win situation for Stoddart, either he got to race 2004 spec cars or (as he has now) he has got a lot of publisity at his home GP and all 'normal' viewers still think Ferrari and FIA are the bad guys.