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31 May 2004, 15:57 (Ref:1544692)
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31 May 2004, 16:00 (Ref:1544693)
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BT23B Mike Hawley Prescott July 1967 2.0 litre FPF
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31 May 2004, 16:15 (Ref:1544695)
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Ted and I thought we'd sorted out the BT23Bs 20 years ago but maybe we hadn't. I've just gone back to my early-1980s card index and assembled this:
Brabham BT23B/1 Mike Hawley; completed June 1967 (See Autosport 16 Jun 1967 p973). Bought by Bob Rose (AS 19 Jul 1968 p37). Then the Mickels (AS 4 Apr 1969 p37). Advertised AS 22 Oct 1970 p59 and that's all I have. Brabham BT23B/3 Built Sept 1967 "believed last one of the specially built Tasman F1 machines. 2 short successful races only" - George Pitt AS 8 Dec 1967 p1011. The races would be the Gold Cup and an Oulton libre (AS 6 Oct 1967 p587). Then Racing Preparations for Tony Lanfranchi RoC 1968. Later JD Lewis in ex-RP BT23B AS 13 Sep 1968 p5. Then Jack Smith for Roy Pike (AS 8 Aug 1969, 29 Aug 1969 - one of which mentions it's ex-Pitt, ex-RP). Then Autosport review of club racing (12 Feb 1970 p23) says Smith sold his BT23B to his homeland for the Canadian GP. Raced by Cordts from time-to-time in Canadian FA? That's all I have on this one. My notes don't say why I'm so sure about the chassis numbers, but it does leave the Vögele car as BT23B/2. Allen |
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31 May 2004, 18:17 (Ref:1544697)
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Didn't Smith's car return to the UK, where it killed him in 1972 (and was supposedly written off)?
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31 May 2004, 23:15 (Ref:1544698)
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Can we do anything with the Autosport report I listed earlier , 15-11-1968 , which states Frank Lythgoe's BT23C sold to G. Pitt. page 4 .
Chris advised this car to Don Godden , thence for sale Low Cost Racing, with no ref. to Pitt. Lythgoes car was BT23C-2. As usual the plot thickens , rather than becoming clearer, Allen , now you mention it , I also recall that ref. to Canadian John Cordts. Bryan. |
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22 Aug 2004, 13:06 (Ref:1544710)
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Just surfing, I remember a BT35 in West Aus raced by Dominic Mannello & true to his heritage it ran a Fiat twin cam. This was mid 70s.
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23 Aug 2004, 10:23 (Ref:1544711)
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Cavvy,
The Dominic Mannello car is a BT35/36 bodied rebuild of the ex Fred Wheelhouse BT23 type Jane /Repco car from Victoria , car is now owned ,still in Western Australia by Neil McCrudden. Bryan Miller. |
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Is this the car that ran as the Jane-Repco in 2.5-litre priod - about 1968? Allen |
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24 Aug 2004, 07:12 (Ref:1544713)
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re the Mannello BT35 Please explain the BT23 type Jane Repco - did the Jane organisation build it? Out of interest how many cars does Neil McCrudden have? |
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Allen, Yes , to the best of my knowledge , built up by Jane team , chassis by Bob Brittan and used some components from the ex Sir Jack Tasman car BT23E-1 , which had been purchased after the Tasman , very triangular fuel tanks, then ended up in Western Australia , and after some time re-bodied to make more modern appearance with BT35/6 panels.
Neil McCrudden has a few cars that I am aware of. Bryan. |
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Bryan,
I've been trying to follow the Mannello BT35 - Jane car. From what I can glean the Jane car followed the John Harvey crash at Bathurst in 1968, is this right. Was it built in the John Sawyer era? What happened to the ex Sir Jack chassis. Do you regard the Mannello car as a Brabham? Regards |
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Cavvy.
The Manello car is definately NOT a Brabham. The ex Sir Jack Brabham car was all pieced back together with a Repco 2.5 litre and sold circa late 198o's to the U.S.A. as far as I know to Mr. Art Valdez, via a Melbourne person , I did not see the car , and have no intimitate knowledge of the rebuild. Bryan. |
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Brabhams in The Scottish Hillclimb Championship
The following is a list of Brabham BT23 drivers in the aforementioned championship:
1970 Gray & Agness Mickel in the ex-Hawley BT23B 1973 Bob Snelson in a BT23C Last edited by John Turner; 13 Mar 2006 at 08:54. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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I've been working through this thread identifying BT23 Sprint Brabhams
The one I can't identify is: Brabham-Ford BT23C (1.6) - Maurice Ogier once in 1972 The BT23C should fit into our histories but I haven't been able to connect it. Allen Last edited by John Turner; 13 Mar 2006 at 09:29. Reason: Thread breakdown alteration |
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This post marks the point at which an assortment of BT23 material was split out of the giant Brabham BT28-29-30-35-36 thread into its own thread.
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again I've only done a very quick flip thru, but we don't seem to have these;
11/11/71 A/S p.46 BT23C ex Bob Gerrard, Traco Chev, DG300 (#C12?) 15/3/73 A/S p.59 BT23C ex Alister Walker, John Blades, Whitley Bay 20976 (#C16?) |
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31 Mar 2006, 02:38 (Ref:1565678)
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 suffering cats, aahhhh!Bob GERARD ALISTAIR Walker 1974 A/S Nov 28th p.57 BT23C ex Gethin for sale 01 567 3941 (#C2?) |
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Andrew. I think the Whitley Bay No is in fact J Blades Tel No.
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There are so many anomalies in this lot that I suggest read with caution. I have endeavoured to reflect this but I am sure I will have missed some of the alternative histories.
One reason for a summary like this is that it can help to untangle the less obvious, if I have misrepresented any views please don’t hesitate to put the boot in! BT23-1 RF5 FVA 7021 1967 Jack Brabham 1968 Irish Racing Cars/Tommy Reid Ford Twin Cam, retained till 1970 Walter Kinear 1971 Nelson Todd 1973 Maurice Stirling 1982 for sale by Northdown Racing, Ripley, Surrey 1984 Jon Bradburn 1985 Andrew Fellowes now with John Moulds BT23-2 RF6 FVA 7012 1967 Denny Hulme/Frank Gardner 1968 Walter Habegger (see 4), but borrowed back by Hulme after BT23-5 crash 1969 Scuderia Picchio Rosso/Enzo Corti (23-4 scratched on chassis, -B.M.) 1970 Vittorio Brambilla BT23-3 RF8 FVA 7003 1967 Frank Gardner 1968 Xavier Perrot 1969 destroyed by Perrot (at Nurburgring?) BT23-4 FVA 7008 1967 Winkleman for Rees 1968 Walter Habbeger (see 2) 1969 Bruno Fray [this number sometimes ascribed to Corti's car which was given the wrong plate at a rebuild] C.T. BT23-5 1967 Winkleman for Rindt & van Lennep 1968 Denny Hulme, accident NZ Feo Stanton Graham Hepburn (Les Sargent) 1981 Denis Lupton, Melbourne 1983 George Goodare, Sydney BT23-6 FVA 7027 1967 Witley Racing Services/Robin Widdows 1967 Sold to Mitsubishi to produce Colt F2 1968 (Canada for Dave Webster, or is this BT23-9?) 2003 for sale USA BT23-7 1967 Mitter 1968 (Norbert?) or Werner Lindermann then to (perhaps BT23-9 D.M.) 1969 Lindermann/Montan Racing 1970 Montan Racing/Helmut Gall, destroyed BT23-8 1967 Nanni Galli with Alfa engine 1968 Giorgio Pianta 1969 (Etienne Vigoureux as F3, see BT23-9) or Albert Poon at Macau -still in Italy a year or two back, C.T. BT23-9 David Bridges for Brian Redman 1968 (Canada for Dave Webster, or is this BT23-7?) 1969 (Etienne Vigoureux as F3 see BT23-8) BT23A 2300cc 1967 Jack Brabham, Tasman Cup Winner David McKay Gerg Cusack Peter Simms, retains BT23B-1 1967 Mildren/Gardner, Mike Hawley A/S 16 Jun p.73 1968 Bob Rose A/S 19 Jul. p.37 1969 Gary & Agnes Mickel 2005 NSW BT23B-2 1967 Vogele, 3rd, Monza May 28th, nothing more ‘till Willy Widar, to Jean Louis Gillet, to John Harper, to Phillip Walker 2003 H & H auctions 7th May, did not sell, est. 75 to 85,000 pounds UK 2004 Legends Racing BT23B-3 1967 G Pitt 1968 Tony lanfranchi JD Lewis, Roy Pike for Jack Smith, killed in the car in ’69, sold to Canada for 1969 Cordts. Mosport, 7th entered by Paul Seitz BT23B-4? Hawley? BT23C-1 1967 Jack Brabham, Frank Gardner 1968 Piers Courage, Laurence Brownlie 1968 Piko Troberg, Harry Stiller as F3? 1969 Graham McRae, Alistair Walker 1970 Walter Kinnear, Bob Howlings 1971 Rodney Seow, Singapore 1980 Mike Truter, Singapore 1983 Brian Wilson, retains 2006 BT23C-2 1967 Frank Gardner? 1968 Frank Lythgoe, Peter Gethin 1969 Whitmore, Don Godden 1973 A/S 1st March p. 56 for sale Low Cost Racing BT23C-2 ex Gethin 1974 A/S 28th Nov. p. 57 BT23C ex Gethin for sale 01 567 3941 BT23C-3 BT23C-4 1968 Chris Lambert, destroyed at Zandvoort BT23C-5 1968 Winkleman for Rindt 1969 Ecurie Ecosse/Graham Birrell 1973 Joe Applegarth 2003 Justin Segal, West Bloomfield, USA 2006 Private collection, UK (note. Frank Curcio, NSW has remains of a chassis believed to be ex 23C-5) BT23C-6 1968 Max Mosley 1969 Peter Parnell, ZA (see BT23C-10) 1970 Arnold Charlton BT23C-7 1968 Frank Williams for Piers Courage 1969 Roly Levis, Baron Robertson crashed, Phil Harris (see BT23C-17) rebuilt as F Ford by Phil Harris, returned to UK late 80’s, acquired by Bobby Rahal, major rebuild by Phil Simkin, for sale 2004 $95,000 BT23C-8 1968 Kurt Ahrens 1969-70 Bernd Terbec 1977 Bill Morris BT23C-9 1968 Church Farm Racing for Derek Bell 1968-9 Laurence Brownlie BT23C-10 1968 Malcom Payne 1969 Garth McGilliwie, ZA (see BT23C-6) 1970 Tony Dean 1971 Rod Pickering 1972 A/S 2nd March p.52 for sale, Rod Pickering 1972 Bob Howlings 1973 Bob Snelson no more ‘till 2006 Private collection, UK BT23C-11 1968 Winklemann for Rees & Mitter 1969 Bill Ivy, then to Brian Cullen after Ivy’s bike crash 1970 Brian Cullen (mechanic Steve Mills) no more ‘till 1990 Mark Raymond or Rayment, UK 2004 for sale by Maverick Motorsport BT23C-12 1968 Frank Williams for Manfredini 1969 Frank Williams for Guthrie 1969? Bob Gerard for Widdows & Hart 1970-1 Gerry Tyzack 1971 maybe Robin Darlington? –C.T. (1971 A/S Nov.11th p.46 BT23C for sale ex Gerard, Traco Chev, DG300?) 1986 Adrian Thomas 1990 Monte Shalett 1998 Mark Leonard/G.P. Motors, La Jolla, CA Peter Bull BT23C-14 1968 Frank Williams for Carlos Piaretti, Temporada BT23C-15 1968 Eduardo Copello, Temporada BT23C-16 1968 Frank Williams for Juan Manuel Bordeu, Temporada, 1969 Frank Williams for Piers Courage, Jackie Ickx, then to 1970 Alistair Walker, then to Gagliardi (1971 Marcello Gallo F3?) 1973 A/S March 15th p.59 ex Alistair Walker, John Blades Whitley Bay 20976 no more ‘till 2004 restored by Phil & Gary Simkin 2005 Private Collection, UK BT23C-17 1968 Jorge Cuperio, Temporada 1978 approx destroyed by fire? BT23D Alfa 2472cc 1968 Frank Gardner, Kevin Bartlett ‘Jim Abbotts with Olds, Chris Murphy killed hill climb’ -Ray Bell (1978 destroyed by fire?) -D.M. BT23E-1 Rebuilt late 80’s, sold to Art Valdez, USA BT23F-1 2004 Dave Darrow, Canada BT23G-1 BT23G-2 |
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spelling -again.
GREG Cusack not Gerg  Is it BT23A or BT23A-1? |
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Some observations:
BT23-1 I have Kinnear till 1972, when he sold to Roy Courtney, then Stirling 73 BT23-2 I don’t have Habegger, but an unknown American who didn’t get a chance to race it before it was reclaimed for Hulme, then Picchio Rossi BT23C-1 chronology a bit astray 1967 works/Brabham and Gardner 1968 Troberg early, then Stiller F3, then Williams/Courage F2 from Albi 1969 Brownlie and McRae NZ, McRae Europe I don’t have either Walker or Kinnear against this number BT23C-4 I have Scuderia Picchio Rosso/Enzo Corti against this in 1969 - BT23? BT23C-6 As I think I’ve mentioned, I have Garth McGillwie in this in 1969, not Parnell BT23C-7 Just to protect Baron Robertson’s memory, the car was crashed during his ownership, but not by him! BT23C-8 Owned for past few years by David Brown BT23C-9 No known Brownlie connection with this car BT23C-10 Again, Parnell rather than McGillwie in 1969 Also Howlings between Dean and Pickering in 1970, then again in 1972 BT23C-11 I have Harold and Gerry McGarrity in this in 1973 BT23C-12 add Kelvin Lambeth in HSCC racing 1988/89 BT23C-14 Cacho Fangio also drove this one for Williams in the Temporada BT23C-15 entered by Berta for Copello (and also Reutemann) in the Temporada Believed retained by Berta for some years afterwards BT23C-17 I have this with Squadra Tartaruga/Xavier Perrot from mid 1969, and Kurt Beuss 1970 I’m not sure that it was the same BT23C-17 that Baron Robertson raced in NZ 1971-72, Kelvin Cameron 1973, and destroyed by fire c1978 I’ll have a look at the bigger-engined cars after work |
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1968 Frank Williams for Manfredini 1969 Frank Williams for Guthrie 1969? Bob Gerard for Widdows & Hart 1970-1 Gerry Tyzack 1971 maybe Robin Darlington? –C.T. (1971 A/S Nov.11th p.46 BT23C for sale ex Gerard less engine & gearbox and also Traco Chev, DG300) 1986 Adrian Thomas 1988-9 Kelvin Lambeth as per D.M 1990 Monte Shalett 1998 Mark Leonard/G.P. Motors, La Jolla, CA Peter Bull |
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