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At first I just thought it was a cruel consistence. When I heard Michael Andretti's instant, brash and hard comments as usual I saw his opinion among others which seem to think he deliberately took out Dario.
Part of me thinks it was deliberate. He braked hard as he had spun. He was at the top of the corner but he then applied full lock after glancing back down the track and steered into Dario. Dixon was quite far up the track and Dario chose that position at the bottom as it was quite clear and I'm sure he didn't expect Dixon to then take his foot off the brake because when you spin or stop on a street circuit when there is very small room you usually keep on the brakes. In Dixon's agreement if he was to, you can't really justify doing a 3 point turn cause he would have taken out many cars. I do think it was deliberate now which is a shame as I used to have a lot of respect for Scott. I guess he could be hit with a penalty because he already got a final warning from BB for blocking Dario when he was along side, he then took out Buddy then Dario.. Buddy perhaps should have given Dixon room but I don't blame him for not because he was in 2nd, on a street circuit and it was the last lap or 2. |
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Has Scott Dixon actually spoken about the incident at all?
We can discuss this for another thousand pages but it won't change the outcome of Sunday's event. Luckily the championship is still wide open but people will most likely remember this moment when they think back of 2007. Personally I would like to see Dario win the title. As an outsider he won the 500 with a great strategy. He carried the momentum into the next couple of weeks (Iowa/Richmond) but then ran into trouble with two scary wrecks and the Marco situation. He had a difficult second half of the season but certainly deserves to win it. Dixon was just impressive at the road courses. He had a winning streak with The Glen/Nashville/Mid-Ohio. But in the end it was him who made the desperate move on Buddy. What happened after that isn't even that important. Well, maybe a lap later Dario would have made a bonzia move on Scott, but we will never know that. I just hope these guys will put on a great show at Chicago and leave the bitter taste of Detroit behind them. |
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I felt he hasn't been as motivated was a reasonable thing to say. The only alternative was he has been crap, which I don't truly believe and so I put it down to a little lack of motivation. I believe he'll fight back next season. You've got to remember he's achieved everything in Indycar. I sometimes get the impression he only really is interested in the 500 now and his eventual transfer to NASCAR. I wish him well for 2008. He is far better than he's shown this season. |
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I heard this race cost almost $15 million to put on and with less than 25000 spectators one wonders how long it can continue for, if the locals and penske don't bankroll it.
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Moving on now... I looked at the incident and thought, well, how well could Scott have seen Dario from where he was? Aside from that, I hope that it wasn't deliberate but it doesn't matter, cos i'll still be pulling for Dario. |
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I think Dario's opinions on Dixon are quite valid. Over Dixon's career he has never been made out to be the villain by any of his opponents. I think Dario's opinions were also fueled by a championship lead, no one likes a sore loser.
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Just to clear something up first; is the general consensus that Dixon merely "let off the brakes"? That's what it looks like most are saying.
To me, looks like he has a damn good head of steam whilst in reverse (gear). Which is it? |
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So Rice actually ran out of fuel. I think that changes the matter. Well, at least the fans had something to discuss/gossip this week, now bring on Chicago.
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I do not know many of you have actually been on Belle Isle. There is limited space and even more limited access. I doubt if you could accomodate many more than 25,000 plus teams and support staff. Don't forget they were using off site parking and shuttle busses. Only so much of that you can do. If memory serves me right there is only one bridge.
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The suggestion from those people saying Scott blocked Dario on purpose seems to be that he should have instead kept his foot on the brake and come to a stop facing the wrong way down the track with pack coming on him. Meaning at best he’d be at the back of the pack needing marshals to turn him around again (and out of the championship) and at worst he’d have someone driving up his nose.
I think it’s most likely his instinctual reaction was to try and get his car facing the right way down the track, keep the engine running, and at least minimise the damage of the spin. It’s plausible that his instinctual reaction was in desperation to try and block Dario, but I think it’s the less likely option. Everyone (even Andretti) seems to be in agreement that it would be well out of character for him to do that – which says to me that he probably didn’t. Just watching the footage I really can't tell, so unless Scott confesses, I guess there'll always be a doubt. |
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My initial thought was that it was deliberate, and having seen the replay many times, I still think that he steered a bit too suddenly for it to be an unlucky accident
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Yes, neither rocket surgery nor brain science...
However, since costs aren't published for any of the races, coming up with a number like $15 million is a t best a WAG. |
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Costs are talked about though from those involved, which is where approximates come from.
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