USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 307

Rcz · 25 Jul 2014, 02:04 (Ref:3437548)

I suppose, even though P&M has made many GM race cars

lms · 25 Jul 2014, 03:51 (Ref:3437559)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

I wish they would just make this into a GT3

lol

Vepe · 25 Jul 2014, 04:49 (Ref:3437569)

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Originally Posted by lms

lol

What was so funny about that?

pederb · 25 Jul 2014, 08:47 (Ref:3437633)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

I wish they would just make this into a GT3

+1

lms · 25 Jul 2014, 11:20 (Ref:3437669)

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Originally Posted by Vepe

What was so funny about that?

a sedan as a gt3. thats what.

Deleted · 25 Jul 2014, 11:28 (Ref:3437672)

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Originally Posted by lms

a sedan as a gt3. thats what.

Who cares anymore. M3 GT2 sedan was racing in the world's biggest motor race just three years ago.

BullMan · 25 Jul 2014, 11:44 (Ref:3437676)

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Originally Posted by lms

a sedan as a gt3. thats what.

That's the 2-door model. It's a better GT3 car than a Camaro or Mustang.

lms · 25 Jul 2014, 13:14 (Ref:3437708)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Who cares anymore. M3 GT2 sedan was racing in the world's biggest motor race just three years ago.

and the z4 cant race there. because it doesnt comply with the regulations. lol.

Deleted · 25 Jul 2014, 13:15 (Ref:3437712)

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Originally Posted by lms

and the z4 cant race there. because it doesnt comply with the regulations. lol.

What has that to do with anything

(and btw I still think it can because ACO bothered to bop it)

Vepe · 25 Jul 2014, 14:07 (Ref:3437730)

In my opinion the Cadillac is more of a GT than most of the cars currently in GTE/3.

JHamilton · 25 Jul 2014, 14:34 (Ref:3437736)

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Originally Posted by lms

a sedan as a gt3. thats what.

So are the Aston, Bentley, and Nissans. What's your point?

HORNDAWG · 25 Jul 2014, 14:49 (Ref:3437740)

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Originally Posted by lms

a sedan as a gt3. thats what.

LOL
http://www.cadillac.com/cts-v-sport-coupe.html

L.P.

BullMan · 25 Jul 2014, 16:42 (Ref:3437770)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

What has that to do with anything

(and btw I still think it can because ACO bothered to bop it)

The Z4 GTE variant was developed with the expressed directive from ACO that it would never be eligible to run Le Mans.

Deleted · 25 Jul 2014, 16:53 (Ref:3437780)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

The Z4 GTE variant was developed with the expressed directive from ACO that it would never be eligible to run Le Mans.

Would you care to show me evidence of this expressed directive.

Articus · 25 Jul 2014, 17:01 (Ref:3437788)

I doubt BMw are interested in racing that model at Le Mans. Significant drag.

I also read that somewhere. The BMW couldn't run Le Mans even if it wanted to. the Z4 is an IMSA homologation special.

carbon_titanium · 25 Jul 2014, 17:39 (Ref:3437801)

Z4 was in the ACO bop sheet last year, so it's ACO legal (ACO modified the engine derivated street model rule). BMW main aim in europe is only DTM, for 24H races like spa and nurb they don't enter anymore officially with team schnitzer but just support private teams (MVDS and schubert) with official drivers and engineers. After the disappointing ILMC 2011 season, BMW simply doesn't care anymore about WEC and LM.
At daytona, Z4 hadn't the best top speed of SRT vipers, but had however a good top speed comparable to the other GTE cars.

Articus · 25 Jul 2014, 18:14 (Ref:3437812)

I think Marc VDS wants to run a Z4 in the WEC next year.

The Z4 doesn't have strong acceleration. On some onboards when the BMW follows other GTE cars it's very apparent why this car will never do Le Mans. When you are losing ground inside of an opponents draft...

Deleted · 25 Jul 2014, 18:43 (Ref:3437816)

When BMW did LM the last time there was post-Spa GTE BoP but not LM-specific BoP test handled by FIA designated driver, nor post Test Day adjustments (where they could just show up sandbagging all the way again and then suddenly emerge 8 seconds or sth faster in qualifying, like the Astons). ACO would probably grant them extra low aero and gurney waivers and stuff to keep them happy...

But yes. No way ACO would've handed them BoP values before they ever even raced in the US last year if the car wasn't ACO legal (not that it really is, but then again they're almost all illegal with the waiver crap). It's just that BMW doesn't care, and RLL most certainly doesn't

Articus · 25 Jul 2014, 18:48 (Ref:3437817)

RLL doesn't but are we so certain BMW doesn't? I think they're problem is they cant find a model to race with in their business case. The Z4 isn't ideal waivers or not and I don't think it will be racing past 2015.

MoMedic9019 · 25 Jul 2014, 19:24 (Ref:3437828)

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Originally Posted by Articus

RLL doesn't but are we so certain BMW doesn't? I think they're problem is they cant find a model to race with in their business case. The Z4 isn't ideal waivers or not and I don't think it will be racing past 2015.

Based on what? The Z4 GT3 is a very, very good car.

The ALMS GTE car is homologated. Nobody seems to believe it though. RLL is just like any other team. They want to ensure a shot at a win, I don't think the ACO's BoP would see them do so well. They know that, no reason to go when you will be BoP'd out of contention.

The ACO needs to use IMSA's BoP. We'd have much better racing.

Christian Mogami · 27 Jul 2014, 04:22 (Ref:3438584)

ESM paid drivers been on Twitter all season stating it isn't fun racing in this series when every restart you get passed by two-five DP's and then when the tires get to temp,can't pass a DP.

Now the Owner is on Twitter stating the same thing and adding the Fuel tank amount BOP BS.

The P2 qual 1st and 2nd,ran the fastest lap in the race but would get jumped on every restart,couldn't pass,even with more horsepower the DP could go more laps per tank!

And NASCAR/IMSA thinks it's a fair field.

Behind close doors,Ed warned NASCAR/IMSA he will leave the series before LB but the series promised him BOP changes.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THE P2 DOESN'T GET IT'S OWN SPEC TIRE,NO BOP WILL WORK!NASCAR/IMSA doesn't want to go that route because the P2 would most likely win everywhere except Daytona and NASCAR/IMSA will not allow that.Can't blame NASCAR because you can't hurt your own baby.....DP!

Lagunaseca_4life · 27 Jul 2014, 04:55 (Ref:3438596)

Really doesn't help their case when they have been consistently breaking race after race and the only other p2 has been consistently more competetive than them from race to race.did they expect they were going to automatically win the race with the bop? So will they be given the win in the next race or will they really walk away this time? But anyways I agree the bop isn't right just yet,all I really ask from Imsa is give the p2s tires that are worth a damn to race on.but that won't happen so let's see what esm is really worth.

On the fuel issue I don't even know how axr out lasted every one,did they pit later? Couldn't have been been saving since no one was really gain time on him,unless others short filled or axr has a magical fuel cell bigger than every other car on the grid?

Christian Mogami · 27 Jul 2014, 05:16 (Ref:3438604)

Also the problem with ESM is the two owners start the race and I think their afraid to hold their ground to the DP(DP pro-drivers who are going to dive bomb into the first corner)because they pay for the damage.I think they will except losing a few spots but when their pro-drivers are behind the wheel,they want them to fight and pass to the front but even turning a lap about a second faster,they can't.The DP just holds it's ground and the P2 can't knock it out of the way without destroying their own car.(that is the way the DP passed at Indy-bumper car style)

Lagunaseca_4life · 27 Jul 2014, 05:44 (Ref:3438607)

Lol laguna showed that if two p2s and one dp reach the same corner at the same time,only the dp will come out alive....

Articus · 27 Jul 2014, 14:41 (Ref:3438847)

Well the other problem with ESM is the two "Owners" aren't "pros". Not even Scotty when you compare to some of the other guys in the field, and the guys they put in the Morgan week in and out.

I don't understand why the ESM car's didn't run 2 wide going into turn 1 at the start so nobady oculd get past. Ed Brown was sleeping on the start. Or atleast the team didn't coordinate at Indy

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