ALMS 2010 Discussion - Page 31

The Badger · 7 Nov 2009, 09:43 (Ref:2577504)

Ah , the Aston . Love to see Intersport with that beast .

How about Brabham-Pagenaud in a Patron Pug ?

**Bentley03** · 7 Nov 2009, 09:49 (Ref:2577506)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

How about Brabham-Pagenaud in a Patron Pug ?

Exactly what I was implying........what a fantastic combination that would be!

Fingers crossed Mr B!

Dani Filth · 7 Nov 2009, 10:09 (Ref:2577516)

a Pug with the Patron livery .. this could be interesting to see

deggis · 7 Nov 2009, 11:13 (Ref:2577544)

If not the whole story, could someone translate at least these quotes from Quesnel?

The Badger · 7 Nov 2009, 11:21 (Ref:2577548)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

Exactly what I was implying........what a fantastic combination that would be!

Fingers crossed Mr B!

Fingers crossed indeed . But , always a but Mr.B ..... have you thought what a Pug with Brabs-Pagen could do ?

It would certainly clean up

against the new regs LMP2 which its supposed to be doing battle with and the currant possy of LMP1 over there .

Any chance of resizeing the above post please

deggis · 7 Nov 2009, 12:03 (Ref:2577564)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Any chance of resizeing the above post please

Why? Something is wrong with your browser or something if this photo widens the whole page. This automatic image scaling doesn't seem to be working for some reason, or at least not the way it worked previously. But I can't edit it anymore because of the editing time limit.

The Badger · 7 Nov 2009, 12:05 (Ref:2577566)

Its the company browser , yeah its an old one .

Félix · 7 Nov 2009, 13:17 (Ref:2577606)

That's a weird choice for Peugeot to make. The best technical team is the ex-Acura team (whichever it is that applied) for sure, but that means running a Peugeot in NA... I wonder how easy it is to sell a Peugeot LM winner to American sponsors: "you're gonna walk over everybody" (but everybody is a pretty limited grid). Then they have Henri Pescarolo probably without his Pescarolo Sport team because things are "complicated", with Henri probably relying on getting the car from Peugeot to leverage it into sponsorship. But he's French and the move would look very good in the media. There's also Signature who have decent technical background and who are French as well...

Pagenaud is most certainly tied to De Ferran (he likes him a lot) but Peugeot just won LM with Brabham. I'd say Highcroft are more likely to want to stay with HPD-Wirth for their LMP program. If only they had more than one to give away...

The Badger · 7 Nov 2009, 13:41 (Ref:2577623)

As I recall ..... Peugeot innitially said that they also wanted to be represanted in the LMS and the chosen team would also represant them in the LMS .

So, its not too late for Ol'Henri to get a deal ,is it ?

Pug said that they have 3 cars at Le Mans next year for Team Peugeot . then possibily one for an ALMS team and one for a LMS team too .

If this deal is true , then I can see 2 cars for Team Pug , 1 for ALMS team and 1 for Henri .

Pagenaud is a free agent .

trahsub · 7 Nov 2009, 14:00 (Ref:2577633)

Perhaps Peugeot is using this as some PR to re-introduce themselves into the American car market? They don't want Alfa Romeo to get too far ahead of them

Tom908V12 · 7 Nov 2009, 14:51 (Ref:2577663)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

I thought that Henri was supposed to be the favoured party ?

Big budget problems for Pescarolo, and according to Quesnel from Peugeot-Sport looks more and more difficult for next season

Jonerz · 7 Nov 2009, 15:29 (Ref:2577678)

This is a very intriguing twist. I'd like to see De Ferran run with the Peugeot and have Highcroft run the ARX-02a in ALMS with the Lola Aston Martin at Le Mans. Unfortunately, that might take Highcroft out of the equation for the overall win next year, and in my mind I want them to win the big race.

Rumors and speculation are fun...

Chris

The Badger · 7 Nov 2009, 15:48 (Ref:2577684)

Highcroft wont have a chance of a win with an Acura 02a at Le Mans , and where did the idea come from about running 2 seperate chassis , an Acura and a Aston .

Did money just start growing on trees in the US of A or what !!!

Jonerz · 7 Nov 2009, 16:03 (Ref:2577689)

Well, Duncan would buy the Aston because he is ultra rich, it would be a better package for Le Mans. He'd run Le Mans, hopefully have a good finish add to its racing history and then "collect" it.

Chris

HORNDAWG · 7 Nov 2009, 17:29 (Ref:2577709)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

Well, Duncan would buy the Aston because he is ultra rich, it would be a better package for Le Mans. He'd run Le Mans, hopefully have a good finish add to its racing history and then "collect" it.

Chris

We do not know that it is better than the 'Le Mans' packaged ARX-02, and it is still not proven to be able to best Audi or Pug and has lost to ORECA and Pescarolo.
I also have not seen, through photos, that he is particularly enamoured with AM in his collecting choices and with the car(s) not having a stellar provenance I am not sure it would be on his list of gotta haves.
This leads me to believe that it is probably not going to be a Highcroft or Duncan Dayton raced (future historics) car.

L.P.

johntt · 7 Nov 2009, 17:57 (Ref:2577729)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

We do not know that it is better than the 'Le Mans' packaged ARX-02, and it is still not proven to be able to best Audi or Pug and has lost to ORECA and Pescarolo.
I also have not seen, through photos, that he is particularly enamoured with AM in his collecting choices and with the car(s) not having a stellar provenance I am not sure it would be on his list of gotta haves.
This leads me to believe that it is probably not going to be a Highcroft or Duncan Dayton raced (future historics) car.
L.P.

Wirth has designed a Le Mans aero package for the ARX02.

Jonerz · 7 Nov 2009, 22:13 (Ref:2577860)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

We do not know that it is better than the 'Le Mans' packaged ARX-02, and it is still not proven to be able to best Audi or Pug and has lost to ORECA and Pescarolo.
I also have not seen, through photos, that he is particularly enamoured with AM in his collecting choices and with the car(s) not having a stellar provenance I am not sure it would be on his list of gotta haves.
This leads me to believe that it is probably not going to be a Highcroft or Duncan Dayton raced (future historics) car.

L.P.

At Le Mans it showed well. If you were an ultra rich car guy, wouldn't a Gulf Oil liveried, Aston V12 powered prototype be on your wish list? I would be interested to see what Wirth would have to do to make that ARX-02a Le Mans worthy.

Chris

HORNDAWG · 7 Nov 2009, 22:33 (Ref:2577872)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

If you were an ultra rich car guy, wouldn't a Gulf Oil liveried, Aston V12 powered prototype be on your wish list?

No. AM is a good and iconic product, but the particular chassis in question have not really set my head to spinning. As I am not an AM uber-fan they really do not come close to my criteria for the price (reportedly) being asked.

L.P.

Fogelhund · 8 Nov 2009, 00:47 (Ref:2577933)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Wirth has designed a Le Mans aero package for the ARX02.

That may be so, but I don't believe the engine is anywhere near up to snuff to even qualify in the top ten...

Jonerz · 8 Nov 2009, 03:17 (Ref:2577967)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

No. AM is a good and iconic product, but the particular chassis in question have not really set my head to spinning. As I am not an AM uber-fan they really do not come close to my criteria for the price (reportedly) being asked.

L.P.

Well, that makes neither of us uber-fans of Aston. I happen to disagree with your feelings about the chassis' quality and potential on the racetrack as well.

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

That may be so, but I don't believe the engine is anywhere near up to snuff to even qualify in the top ten...

Agreed. Beside it's obvious aero-deficiencies the "anemic" motor as many have described it, myself included (though I don't claim to be the originator of the term), is a serious draw back for LM. But Zytek built motors that were reasonably good naturally aspirated eights, couldn't a little engine development at least bring them back in line with Judd, AIM, and AER?

Chris

Mal · 9 Nov 2009, 08:53 (Ref:2578749)

So after Honda dipped out of F1 and the resulting team won - could the same happen at Le Mans?

deggis · 9 Nov 2009, 10:15 (Ref:2578789)

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Originally Posted by johntt

Wirth has designed a Le Mans aero package for the ARX02.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

That may be so, but I don't believe the engine is anywhere near up to snuff to even qualify in the top ten...

"The car has been designed to be competitive at Le Mans. We have no mandate to go to Le Mans, but we are told to be ready, and we are."

Nick Wirth - March 12th, Autosport

**Bentley03** · 9 Nov 2009, 10:54 (Ref:2578815)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

At Le Mans it showed well......

It did, but with a mighty direct injection engine (of questionable legality and which has since been retired at the request of the ACO

) and a restrictor break over the open cars. I would suggest that in 2010 the car will prove to be far from 'other world' when compared to it's petrol P1 opponents.

Jonerz · 9 Nov 2009, 11:18 (Ref:2578838)

That's a fair argument. I'd not thought of that.

Chris

Fogelhund · 9 Nov 2009, 12:07 (Ref:2578856)

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Originally Posted by deggis

"The car has been designed to be competitive at Le Mans. We have no mandate to go to Le Mans, but we are told to be ready, and we are."

Nick Wirth - March 12th, Autosport

I'm not certain what you are proposing to mean with this statement. It is probable that the car was also designed to be competitive at Sebring and Petit Le Mans too. (ooops)

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