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24 Feb 2021, 15:56 (Ref:4036720) | #7901 | ||
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This seems to be on multiple threads Ayse, not surprising as it's exciting news, but should it be amalgamated onto one thread ? Already making my plans for 23 !!!
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24 Feb 2021, 16:17 (Ref:4036730) | #7902 | |
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24 Feb 2021, 16:20 (Ref:4036732) | #7903 | ||
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I do sort of hope that this may cause Audi and Porsche to change their mind on LMH vs LMDH, though I highly doubt it.
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Edit. I see Mike has already done it. All Ferrari comments to the new thread please. https://www.tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155948 |
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31 Mar 2021, 13:47 (Ref:4044066) | #7905 | ||
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DSC has an update on the BOP of hypercars.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...w-lexicon.html Besides the known Alpine test with the lmp2, it seems Toyota may have also had some on track running with a P2 car. Also some significant sim work with the toyota and Glick lead to an additional 10kg for the Toyota. |
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31 Mar 2021, 13:47 (Ref:4044067) | #7906 | ||
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DSC has an update on the BOP of hypercars.
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...w-lexicon.html Besides the known Alpine test with the lmp2, it seems Toyota may have also had some on track running with a P2 car. Also some significant sim work with the toyota and Glick lead to an additional 10kg for the Toyota. |
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31 Mar 2021, 18:31 (Ref:4044097) | #7907 | ||
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As expected, the spec tyre element of LMP2 is an important part of their speed reduction. Worse traction, less lateral grip, longer braking distances...
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Then you might not need to adjust P2 as much? Or am i missing something? |
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1 Apr 2021, 12:57 (Ref:4044200) | #7909 | |||
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Tyre plan dropped, bigger power cut, low drag bodywork only and a 20kg weight gain. http://www.dailysportscar.com/2021/0...-bodywork.html |
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1 Apr 2021, 13:02 (Ref:4044204) | #7910 | |
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I think making a complete arse of regulations should now be called "doing an ACO"
Because they'd absolutely ACO'd this. |
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1 Apr 2021, 13:28 (Ref:4044212) | #7911 | ||
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It's not very elegant
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1 Apr 2021, 13:48 (Ref:4044215) | #7912 | ||
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Just knock 50kg off the Hypercars, please.
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1 Apr 2021, 18:53 (Ref:4044274) | #7916 | |
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The joke was any racing series thinking a Goodyear single supplier tire deal was a good idea.
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1 Apr 2021, 20:42 (Ref:4044281) | #7917 | |
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The entire Hypercar regulation thing is a mess. The weight limit increase was for a cars engine that isn't even going to enter now.
It's not like the LMP1s had to be that expensive to achieve the speeds they were doing either. The R13 unleashed could lap as far as the TS050. It's just generally a mess. And now we're going right back to having LMP2s and GTEs being far too close in top speed. Which is something the ACO managed to get away from with the last generation of LMP2s, which was excellent. |
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1 Apr 2021, 21:07 (Ref:4044285) | #7918 | ||
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The low drag bodywork should help with top speeds at least.
Looking for the positives here... |
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1 Apr 2021, 21:09 (Ref:4044286) | #7919 | ||
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Racing Team Nederland not sounding that impressed
https://twitter.com/RacingTeamNL/sta...524195329?s=19 |
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2 Apr 2021, 00:32 (Ref:4044303) | #7920 | ||
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With the power decrease and weight increase the LMP'2 and GTE's at LM are going to be I'd say with in 10-15 seconds a lap at LeMans of each other and the back marker LMP2's barely beating GTE's and in some cases slower. So now will the ACO/FIA slow the GTE's if that is the case. On another thought could we see an exodus of LMP2 teams from the WEC to say IMSA or change classes if they want to continue on that course with how they are slowing LMP2.
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2 Apr 2021, 06:15 (Ref:4044316) | #7923 | |
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Even before this a full time 670hp Hypercar with the bodywork they have to use at Le Mans was never going to have trouble at the top end with with a 560hp LMP2 car even if those ran their low drag kit. Now that it's a 530hp LMP2 car carrying extra weight, pffft.
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2 Apr 2021, 14:42 (Ref:4044375) | #7924 | |
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I don't mind the LMP2 slowing down myself. Speed gap between prototypes and GTs was getting too big. Never see the problem of inter-class mixing. Makes things interesting. Look at GTLM/LMP3/GTD in IMSA in the florida endurance races. No major issues. The biggest 2 or more car incidents involved cars in the same class.
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2 Apr 2021, 19:26 (Ref:4044404) | #7925 | ||
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LMP2''WAS'' an excellent class, in both the WEC and ELMS. The cars were quick, the engines were fast and reliable. So ''WHY'' change something that is working well you may ask yourself? The answer does not take alot of figuring out really. Having created their new premier??........Hypercar class for Toyota, the regulations then ensure that the Hypercars, will not really be that quick. Solution by the ACO, slow down the LMP2 so as to not allow them to compete and intrude into the Hypercar limelight!!! Wonderful idea!!!! Now take the forced power cut + weight increase for the P2 cars and see how that works out? In the WEC, no problem, so long as they can stay ahead of the GT cars, if not, BOP the GT cars so they can. Another wonderful idea!! So explain how this is going to work in the ELMS?? P3 cars currently put out 460 BHP (343 KW) and weigh 950 kg. 2021 P2 cars will put out 533 BHP (397 KW) and weigh 950 kg. That is not alot of difference. Unlike the WEC, P2 do race in the same field as P3 in the ELMS. I can very easily see, the quicker of the P3 cars, being quicker than the slower of the P2 cars! So what will the ACO do then I wonder?? Hmmmm, let me think. Great idea!!!! Reduce the power of the P3 cars and add more weight???? I believe my opening sentence sums the ACO up. Clowns!! So occupied with kiss assing the OEM's, they forget about the core teams that keep them in business when the OEM gravy train goes away! |
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