IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017 - Page 32

TF110 · 2 Jul 2015, 03:11 (Ref:3555312)

Now you have a 'badged' Vette leading or Riley Ford. So how is it a step backwards if some DTM/GT500 team or car like an RC F NSX or M4 lead over gte? It already happens in Super GT and its no big deal.

MitchZ06 · 2 Jul 2015, 04:46 (Ref:3555319)

Rather see a IMSA specific P1-L built and run vs DTM, really don't get the fascination there.

Use a single spec tub that one chassis builder can make, spec gearbox, spec suspension components, have different suppliers make each to keep costs down and allow the OEMs to supply the engines and bodywork. Branding the big LMP1s is entirely possible (Aston Lola) so there's no reason why it cannot be done.

TF110 · 2 Jul 2015, 05:03 (Ref:3555323)

They wont go for that, or it would be talked of. They are adamant on "brand recognition", so why go even further towards pure lmp? Thats what people (including me) would like is lmp1 privateers, but thats seemingly not tusc's objective. If they want brand i.d. then going gt500 is the best course imo.

MitchZ06 · 2 Jul 2015, 05:04 (Ref:3555325)

So you skipped over my last line?

TF110 · 2 Jul 2015, 05:10 (Ref:3555326)

The aco wont go for that. Everyone knows it. Obviously they want that Le Mans connection, and if thats the case, p1 is even more of an ask than lmp2s with 'bodywork'.

HORNDAWG · 2 Jul 2015, 05:45 (Ref:3555330)

2016:
P) DP and P-2
PC) FLM09
GTLM
GTD) GT3

2017:
P) based on shared 2017 P-2 platform with the ACO
PC) chassis under evaluation/consideration
GTLM
GTD

L.P.

Pandamasque · 2 Jul 2015, 09:04 (Ref:3555344)

Quote:

Originally Posted by schmidder

Because none of the American manufacturers would spend the money to build them.

And they will spend nearly as much (same Rebellion, but called Oreca) to have something that's slower, that was created to cater to pro-am teams rather than manufacturers and fans, and something that will be made utterly uncompetitive at Le Mans? ...unless they race them in the U.S. in Le Mans spec, which they won't.

BullMan · 2 Jul 2015, 13:00 (Ref:3555371)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

And they will spend nearly as much (same Rebellion, but called Oreca) to have something that's slower, that was created to cater to pro-am teams rather than manufacturers and fans, and something that will be made utterly uncompetitive at Le Mans? ...unless they race them in the U.S. in Le Mans spec, which they won't.

I don't know where you get your numbers, but LMP1-L is MUCH, MUCH more expensive than building a P2 car. It's not even close.

Deleted · 2 Jul 2015, 13:07 (Ref:3555373)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

Can we Please just get rid of the P-1 Cars ? TOO Freaking Technical

They already did. Though 'too technical' had nothing to do with it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullMan

I don't know where you get your numbers, but LMP1-L is MUCH, MUCH more expensive than building a P2 car. It's not even close.

And you know the budget figures of Rebellion and Kolles how...? Particularly with these new regulations + calculated the difference between running the cars in world championship and regional series...

**joeb** · 2 Jul 2015, 13:20 (Ref:3555377)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

2017:
P) based on shared 2017 P-2 platform with the ACO
PC) chassis under evaluation/consideration
GTLM
GTD

What are the odds IMSA will change the names of the GT classes to what they are called in the rest of the world? I don't really have an issue with the current names but it would be less messy to talk about them as GTE and GT3 if that is what they are.

Deleted · 2 Jul 2015, 14:07 (Ref:3555382)

"GTLM and GTD" is confusing, given that the first doesn't match to ACO and next year there is nothing 'Daytona' in the lower class anymore. But generally the two are no more confusing than "LMGTE and GT3". The endurance bit of GTE in this day and age is irrelevant given that all the other GT classes are pulling out similar distances in races, and similarly GT3 makes no sense when GT1 is dead and GT2 has been rebranded as GT3. Furthermore next year you will have the "GT Premium / GTP" nonsense added in to GTE further adding to confusion

I really don't understand why FIA doesn't just rebrand them all GT1 and GT2 (+ GT3 for GT4) already. I am aware that Ratel wants to "safe" the title of GT1 *just in case it's someday needed* but surely that cannot be the only reason.

Not that it really made sense for ACO to rebrand 1998-GT2 into 'GTS' and 1998-GT3 into 'GT' after 1998-GT1 died, only for FIA to call the GTS cars "GT" and GT cars "N-GT". Well at least the naming scheme was universally harmonized for ACO, FIA and SRO in 2005 again... only for it to collapse again by the start of the new decade

IMSA calling GT2/GTE/whatever just by "GT" by 2010-2013 wasn't that great either, and they had to rename the class as GT2 again in Sebring & PLM 2010 because of ACO interest. Then of course you had the naming scheme conflicts with "GT" class when ILMC/WEC came over with LMGTE-PRO and LMGTE-AM..

This sounds so nerdy...

Coach Ep · 2 Jul 2015, 14:22 (Ref:3555388)

Who cares about the names and the classes, just give us lots of fast, cool and noisy cars and we'll have a blast!

Bob Baldwin · 2 Jul 2015, 14:42 (Ref:3555389)

Speaking just from a Fans Perspective Yes the P-1 cars are are the Quickest but really only doable by the MFG's If you want competition most fans really want more than 6-8 cars to fight for the overall win

personally I would like to see GTE , GTLM , What ever you want to call the cars and the P-2's fighting for overall wins , Particularly at LeMans

FLGTFAN · 2 Jul 2015, 14:47 (Ref:3555390)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

... just give us lots of fast, cool and noisy cars and we'll have a blast!

Sorry, those are not available anymore.

Deleted · 2 Jul 2015, 15:27 (Ref:3555402)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

If you want competition most fans really want more than 6-8 cars to fight for the overall win

Are you suggesting that there are more cars than that capable of realistically winning in USCC (D)P, USCC GTE, WEC LMP2, WEC LMGTE?

That's weird analogy anyway, class isn't proper if there aren't million makes to fight for it... remember Le Mans in the 80's with twenty thousand Porsches entered and conquering almost all of top 10

My main criteria for headliner class is
a) technologically interesting and powerful (not GTE and (2017 of all things) P2))
b) not influenced by constant politics shenanigans

carbon_titanium · 2 Jul 2015, 16:06 (Ref:3555407)

just one question:

why in 2012 and 2013 grand-am there were always more than 10 DP in grid during "normal" races ?

I guess because original DP3 specs were a lot cheaper than current DP3.5! so...

ATLFalconsFAN · 2 Jul 2015, 16:23 (Ref:3555409)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

Can we Please just get rid of the P-1 Cars ? TOO Freaking Technical

Let the MFG's put the $$$'s into the GT classes

P1 is what is drawing more interest to the WEC and Le Mans. The most advanced cars in the world are what is making sports car racing become more noticed by the press and by Joe-average-guy.

I guess different opinions, if Ford had a vote of whether or not they should develop and race a GT car or a P1 my vote would be for P1 every time, whether it could race in the states or not.

BullMan · 2 Jul 2015, 16:56 (Ref:3555413)

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

just one question:

why in 2012 and 2013 grand-am there were always more than 10 DP in grid during "normal" races ?

I guess because original DP3 specs were a lot cheaper than current DP3.5! so...

Yes, that and the fact that the series paid teams to build cars and show up to race them.

Deleted · 2 Jul 2015, 17:38 (Ref:3555422)

Almost a decade ago there were like 30 DPs in some Grand-Am races, even regular ones, because they were cheap as **** (yet some still needed subsidies

) and bopped to extreme. So contrast to that even DPG3 prior DPG3.5 was sort of a failure. Yes they received *very mild* cosmetic surgery but continued the decline in numbers - even though they were still cheap and constantly performance balanced

Pandamasque · 2 Jul 2015, 18:52 (Ref:3555437)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

Almost a decade ago there were like 30 DPs in some Grand-Am races, even regular ones, because they were cheap as ****

One can argue that "as" is redundant here.

Deleted · 2 Jul 2015, 19:11 (Ref:3555440)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

One can argue that "as" is redundant here.

You're right of course.

Rcz · 3 Jul 2015, 03:40 (Ref:3555527)

http://nasportscar.com/the-pc-dilemma/

Basically it said,"why not replace PC with DPs!"

Well I don't know about that, slowing them down would probably lower back the price of the cars. And being tubeframers can be fix more easily.

Matt · 3 Jul 2015, 03:53 (Ref:3555530)

Got my first in person taste of DP machinery this past weekend.

They're awesome.

I hope Chevrolet continues to use the 5.5l V8, it makes incredible noise and in a P2 chassis car would clean up at Le Mans...even with restrictors due to the torque.

canamman · 3 Jul 2015, 15:47 (Ref:3555626)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

Got my first in person taste of DP machinery this past weekend.

They're awesome.

I hope Chevrolet continues to use the 5.5l V8, it makes incredible noise and in a P2 chassis car would clean up at Le Mans...even with restrictors due to the torque.

They definitely got better with the BOP to the P2's at the
beginning of TUSC. It really was night and day from GrandAm
to TUSC for the DP's. They now are pretty badass with
their exhaust note. My jaw dropped when I heard and saw them
at the inaugural TUSC race at the Daytona 24 2014.

BudLightJaguar · 3 Jul 2015, 16:06 (Ref:3555630)

Quote:

Originally Posted by canamman

They now are pretty badass with
their exhaust note. My jaw dropped when I heard and saw them
at the inaugural TUSC race at the Daytona 24 2014.

Is there a difference in engine note between 2013 and 2014? I haven't heard them in person since 2013. What I do remember is that the 'pack' during the wave start sounded awesome.

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