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There would also be no need to pay stupendous prices to sponsor a front running car, you could just buy a competitive car and run it. The manufacturers would also be pitted against one another when it came to supplying competitive cars at a price. c.f. Porsche supplying customer cars in endurance racing. F1 is about maintaining the status quo, look what a raw deal the new teams get. |
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Wait a second, I think I now read your comment in proper context. Your saying Ferrari/Mclaren/Williams would head towards the rear if Red Bull built 10 other current model cars. F1 turning into what I knew as CART. I was thinking of customer cars being year old models.
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Why not allow the smaller teams, or teams looking to enter F1, lease cars from the establishment?
This would significantly reduce the cost of "joining in" and help ensure a competitive grid.It would also allow the major teams to off-set some cost and protect the ownership of their technology. If a smaller team then decided to make their own car (like Tyrrell did) at some point in the future, then fine. This would also sort out the Playboy teams from the long term serious. |
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If you look back the F1 World Championship as we know it, it started in 1950. 1982 was 32 years later and 2013 is 31 years since 1982, so for nearly the second half of the F1 World Championship era, teams have been building their own chassis and it seems to have worked fairly well up to now and don't forget that for 1952 and '53 Formula 2 rules were briefly adopted. |
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WIth the difference that GP2 doesn't have an F1 logo or F1-size viewers. This means that teams get much less money from sponsors. So they can't hire the best drivers so easily, they need decent sponsors. Which leads to pay drivers again.
My point is: with the current budgets required to qualify within the 107%, you can't expect to have 20 non-pay drivers. |
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Martin Whitmarsh has said,in typical McLaren gibberish,that 7 out of the 11 teams are in financial trouble and just about hanging on.
With a whole raft of changes coming next year, this will very likely push a few over the edge. I firmly believe the next Concorde Agreement MUST gives the teams a larger slice of the cake and leased/purchased cars should be allowed. As I've said before, we could have less than a dozen cars on the grid otherwise. |
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7 out of 11 are in trouble, yet none of the teams supported the drastic cost-cutting measures that were planned a couple of years ago, when the 3 new teams signed up.
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Now nearly some 20 years later, we've had the banking crisis, tobacco money has long gone and teams and sponsors can't spend excessively like they once did, hence the smaller grids. |
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F1 generates (FOM) about £800 million each year. The teams get about 60% so in round figures £480 million divided by 12 teams is £40 million each. With a budget cap of say £70 million then the teams only need to find 30 for each season. If they were to get 90% of the gross fiqure leaving Bernie with the rest for admin etc. then the teams could have £60 million each. I imagine many back of the grid teams would survive comfortably on that amount. Last edited by wolfhound; 18 Feb 2013 at 13:31. |
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