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Lindstrom's Q Racing Alfa got rolled into a ball in one of the free practice sessions on either the Friday or Saturday morning as I remember- there was a pic of the wreck in the following week's Autosport. As I remember, the other significant car that didn't make it to race day was Graham Goode's Sierra which was written off in a pre-race testing shunt, though I can't remember whether that was during one of the official practice days of the TT meeting, or in private testing earlier in the week |
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Is that Graham's transporter you can see through the back of the pit garage, parked next to the Rouse/ICS truck in this pic of the Rouse car in the pit garage? http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream No guesswork needed to identify this one though- Another of Richard Hilsden's pics, it's the start grid for the 1988 Donington ETC round, with Graham's white Listerine Sierra (and Clifford! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9THLN...eature=related ) http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream |
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Another rare one just creeping into the corner of this shot of the Camac and Vanicek M3s on the grid- the black #18 car alongside the Vanicek BMW is Karl Oppitzhauser's RS500 from Austria.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...in/photostream Another pic: http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-17-018.jpg (Were Jeremy Jackson's pics on Racingsportscars taken during qualifying, as it's very obviously raining in them?- I certainly don't remember getting rained on at all on the Sunday? They also include the Dixi/Yacco 635, which was a DNS, so I guess they must be from the Saturday) Oppitzhauser''s RS500 is another I know very little about- I know he had a 635, then an XR4Ti during 1986, http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-04-06-026.jpg before moving on to a Cosworth for 1987/8. He seems to be one of those semi-regular ETC runners who turned up at a lot of the mainland European races (especially his fairly 'local' rounds- Nurburgring, Salzburgring, Zeltweg, Brno etc) without ever running a full season- he certainly appeared at Donington a couple of times, but I don't ever recall him at the TT. He seems to be best-known though for an abortive attempt to take part in the 1976 Austrian GP in a March 761... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Oppitzhauser |
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The CMS RS500 was likely a late addition to the 1988 group A ranks. Through out the year Ulf Granberg ran a silver Luna sponsored Volvo 240 Turbo for the team in the Swedish championship, likely to have ended some time in August. Another point has gotten my attention recently: From the officially scanned MotorSport DVD I have read that 11 RS500s were entered for the opening round of the ETCC at Monza. A strike at Ford meant that spare parts were few and prevented the privateers to make the race, except one Jolly Club RS500, that eventually was withdrawn after two engine brake downs. Who were the other eight Sierras entered for Monza? At a guess I'd say Wolf, Bornebusch, Euroluigi (two cars), another Jolly Club car, Oppitzhauser, perhaps CMS and even a French Fornage car. Confusing the matter of spare parts being limited to the privateers is the fact that nine RS500s were present at Silverstone for the opening round of the British series on the same weekend! Just had a look at the Duke resume of the '88 Donington 500 seing that the Goode RS500 was running in fifth in the early stages, by then only behind the Eggenberger, Wolf Sierras and the Nissan, but ahead of the Schnitzer and Bigazzi BMW M3s. Eventually not a single division 1 car was classified, which must be a first? Jesper Last edited by Jesper OH; 30 Sep 2011 at 18:36. |
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As you say, Donington was an odd race with the high rate of attrition amongst the Div 1 cars, to say nothing of Schnitzer and Bigazzi losing a car apiece. Watching it trackside, it almost felt like a case of 'Last man standing... Although there were other race wins by Div 2 cars in 1987/8, I certainly can't think of another race in the entire Group A ETC/WTC era when the whole of Div 1 retired... Pretty sure the CMS car debuted at the TT (possibly with an outing in the Swedish series first?) |
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Ah yes I forgot about the Wolf car!
Agreed, the race was a strange one with all those retirements, not having a particularly big entry to begin with and it seemed to go on for 8 hours not 4. I do recall being a bit surprised at the clear pace advantage of the Schnitzer and Bigazzi M3's compared to the Prodrive cars, but that's not Sierra related! |
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According to the result as given by Frank de Jong, there were 9 Sierras present: http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...9%20Macau.html #4: Hisashi Yokoshima, one of the Trampio cars from Japan. IIRC the original Trampio Sierra from 1987 was a Rouse car- but I think they were running Eggenberger-built cars by '89? #6: 'Gio Fan'- Clearly visible in the video when it goes off into the wall. We've talked about this one a couple of times- one of the 1988 Rouse/Kaliber cars, used by Andy at Macau in 1988 and sold on to Adrian Fu. #7: Andy Rouse, sponsored by Hutchison Telecom. #8: Tim Harvey, another Rouse car with in very distinctive white/dayglo green Watson's colours. #12: Ni Amorim's car from Portugal. #14: Stig Blomqvist, a Soderqvist car. It's seen several times in the video, but not clearly enough to tell much about it. #15: Eddie Lee- This is the white ICOM-sponsored car which is clearly visible early in the video when it gets tagged by an M3 and spun out before rejoining. Looking at the video (screencaps attached), it's got a big 'BBR' logo on the front of the roof, so I guess it's of Dave Brodie origin... #18: Albert Poon. An ex-Albert Poon RS500, described as a Rouse customer car, was advertised for sale back in 2008 by Oakfields- I;m guessing this is the car he used at Macau in '89 http://www.classicdriver.de/uk/find/...&dealerid=1337 #19: Kaj Bornebusch- presumably the same car he'd raced at home in Sweden, and in at least one early-season BTCC round. When the Eddie Lee car is seen being spun out early in the video, three other Sierras are seen in the lower-midfield just before the incident- One looks like the 'Gio Fan' car, the other two are both white- either Poon, Amorim or Bornebusch I guess. Pics attached are the Yokoshima, 'Gio Fan', Rouse, Harvey and Lee cars- note the BBR logo on the roof of #15 Last edited by KA; 18 Oct 2011 at 18:02. |
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Thaks Richard- I usually went to the practice days for the Donington Group C meetings, but don't recall ever doing so for the ETC rounds- and I was pretty sure I didn't remember getting rained on, unlike the TT the previous year!
Incidentally, if any of us who were at the '87 TT need any further reminder than your pics of just how lovely the weather was that day, I've found the race coverage on Youtube... Plenty of RS500 action, although it would be BMW's day... Incidentally, and slightly off-topic, I'd forgotten just how epic Peter Oberndorfer's start was in the AMG Merc 190- 4th into Copse behind the Eggenberger and Rouse Sierras, from 11th on the grid.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZsjPUmDSJc Last edited by KA; 19 Oct 2011 at 15:51. |
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The Poon car advertised by Oakfields in 08 is the white BBR car they are currently selling. They kept it and had it restored instead.
They thought it was the Poon car initially, but after resto seemed to think it was the BBR car instead. Wierd thing is it runs the Rouse mechanical fuel pump which no other builders used. I know it was reshelled whilst still in the far east so possibly it was rebuilt over there from the remains of both cars. Quote:
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Another RS500 question- there were at least a couple of cars in Portugal, but I'm not totally sure of their origin. Early in the thread, Brickyard gave an outline of these- one car in 'Traffic' colours for Ni Amorim, one in 'Gianfranco' colours for Carlos Rodrigues, and a third, described as converted from a 1987-spec Cosworth, for Antonio Rodrigues.
http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....7&postcount=18 Brickyard said the 'Traffic' and 'Gianfranco' cars came from the UK- but did we ever establish where they came from. Rouse? Now I might be misunderstanding Brickyard's post, but I'm not totally clear which car is which in the pics he posted. The 'Gianfranco' car is Carlos Rodrigues... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/406/carlosrodriguesviladocoyh9.jpg/ and I think this one in 'Fundador' colours-is the Antonio Rodrigues car (IIRC Fundador were the sponsor on his previous Volvo?) Interesting to see the prominent 'Mountune Race Engines' sunstrip... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...ampadahb5.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/406/fernandop...doconduj8.jpg/ The Amorim car can be seen in the background of one of these, but there's a clearer shot capped from a Youtube clip of the 1988 Estoril ETCC race attached. The Estoril race video- also features the Eggenberger, Wolf and Bornebusch cars prominently http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQdzobQnYRU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD5nGh35aBw also the Rampa da Falperra hillclimb- the 'Gianfranco' and 'Fundador' cars feature a couple of times, first at about 2m50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ls4...eature=related |
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http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...de#post2958483 As I remember, there were a couple more (off-topic!) DNQs as well- the two CiBiEmme 635s and Alan Minshaw's Golf. I'll email you some notes |
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Rouse seems to have had 4 Cosworths in 1987: Red WTCC car http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-08-02-008.jpg White WTCC car (appeared twice AFAIK- Batibouw-sponsored at Spa, then again at Bathurst in Moffat's ANZ colours) http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-08-02-017.jpg Peter Hall's ICS car (seen in the BTCC and the TT) http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-09-06-011.jpg and Rouse's own ICS car, which appeared in the BTCC rounds that didn't clash with his WTCC campaign, occasionally driven by Win Percy (IIRC Win did the Silverstone GP meeting) Did Peter Hall use the same car in 1987 and 88 (before stepping down in favour of Robb Gravett?) IIRC the 1988 Hall/Gravett car went to Australia (became one of the 1989 Brock cars), but was it the same car that Pete had used in 1987? If so, then this suggests the Hin car might have started life as the 1987 Rouse/Percy BTCC car? Anyone got an idea where the Bolderheij car went after being sold? (PS, I've emailed you those TT notes- more to follow) |
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I received them, thanks.
About the Bolderheij car, there was an advertisement in a Dutch magazine of June 88 (which was printed somewhere in May), where Bolderheij asks for a sponsor and a decent paying co-driver to enter the Spa 24 hours. So by then, the car was still in his possession, rebuilt with Eggenberger parts (instead of the Rouse parts in 1987, which weren't satisfactory for him). The picture shows a white car. |
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Just found out the car did race at Zandvoort 1988, in the hands of Chris Bouwman and later Bolderheij. No results to get excited about.
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