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Don't get me wrong if I was charge I would've sunken the whole ship before it ever left Southampton and told them to build a new one with better materials and more lifeboats, but for the current situation and keeping in mind that it's unrealistic to expect the higher positions of the Galactic Empire to change any time soon, it's a start...
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My hope is, that the Rolex contingent is more willing to let the ALMS folks have more control.
Not to say ALMS was the ne-plus-ultra, but their problems weren't the racing it was the finance and promo---something I hoped from the start NASCAR could handle. We can hope the series finds a whole new top management team, but I really don;'t see the people who are drawing paychecks right now, to voluntarily fire themselves. Promoting themselves out of the way works about the same. Wouldn't ALMS racing circa 2008 with NASCAR's promo budget and program be about a good mix? |
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The thing is the entry list basically deteriorated from the inception of the ALMS, until where we are now. Yes, there was that blip for a couple of years with the participation of Acura and Porsche, but that is more attributed to the incompetence of the ACO than anything the ALMS management did. Their major piece of great work was the concept, which was brilliant... from there, not so much. The IMSA side of things were always great of course, the technical people... the ALMS, not the equal.
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Those P2 cars made by Porsche and Acura are the P2 cars to me.
The P2s that we have now are just a support class. And yes I know that P2s were alway supposed to be support cars but still. We need a leading Proto class that that just as fast as a factory P1-H but somehow more cheaper. I mean, should TUSC just be another support series like the ELMS? Or should be like IMSA GT and the ALMS of old, where these series were just as important as there International counterparts. |
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8 Sep 2014, 23:33 (Ref:3451360) | #8306 | ||
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Its funny how this thread sounds so much like what people were saying about DMG run AMA. Heres an interesting article, is this the #future?
http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread...cing-has-ended Quote:
This is basically what we are living through right now. The Motorcycle people know how bad Daytona is, they were not praying and hoping nascar would change. Nascar won't change they are doing the same things to sports car racing. |
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Audi and Porsche didn't like having their sponsorship of the ALMS and their entries subsidizing the series, so they cut back severely at the end of '08.
One could say that as far as the Audi Sport, Porsche Motorsport and ultimately TMG LMP1 programs went, the damage was done though that and the formation of the WEC. However, with the way that TUSCC ultimately has gone, that pretty much closed the door for the foreseeable future for any of those guys being willing to come back, and the entries that the ALMS and Grand Am had in one form or another threatened to leave the series, and some have. I think that the management shake ups are IMSA/NASCAR/ISC's mea culpa admitting that they screwed up big time with anything not stock-car related, as well as DMG/ISC selling off the AMA. The NASCAR stock car formula isn't a universal key to success in every field, just as the ACO/FIA formula probably wouldn't work for stock car racing. There are times where business and marketing strategies in all sports find a successful niche, and probably should just stay there where they are successful. However, in the current state of TUSCC, one thing that I would find interesting is to denote the all-pro/pro-am classes, or maybe even prototype and GT classes not just with the leader lights system, but different colored highlight lights on the bodywork. Similar to what Audi have done with the R18 family for the past 3 or so years by running back-lit DRL strips in their headlights, though that's usually used to denote which car is on pit road at a given time. But I think that the colored accent lighting would work well with the current leader lights system. Maybe also introduce two new colors to denote Prototype, LMPC GTLM/GTE and GTD instead of just the red for professional, and blue for pro-am. Last edited by chernaudi; 9 Sep 2014 at 00:04. |
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One series with crappy rules died, a second series with crappy rules changed it name and took over the failed series. Their only point of being the same is crappy rules. Maybe, only maybe, if by the end of 2016 road racing is in even worse shape, the France family might realize that power is fleeting and let some who care take charge. Of course when the France boy reads a Bible, he probably thinks I could have done that better. |
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If the France family are incompetent at handling TUSC, who will? I'm hoping that the guys at PWC will take care of it, but they're busy managing their own GT series. |
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LMP1 will probably never come back unless the WEC folds. The only real reason we had them before is because there wasn't really a world endurance championship that the big P1 teams could concentrate on. With the U.S. being the biggest market P1 made sense as the biggest stage for those cars before the WEC and ILMC. |
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I get that, but really that is more of an archaic NASCAR philosophy, and I doubt any "traditional" sportscar fan is buying "bodykits" as a real brand.
The only way the LMP2 format works, is if actual manufacturers build the full car, even if it is just privateers running them. |
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I 'd like to hope the series has more fans than this website has posters come 208.
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They support a P2 program, that is the correlation.
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IMSA.com has had a few pr pieces posted in the past week, and one is about Action Express/Coyote getting a new race shop:
http://www.imsa.com/articles/action-...-moving-future There is also another about the points chase in the prototype category and if we can believe the quotes, look for the Taylor car to take a knock at the Action Express car in Austin: Quote:
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With this new points scoring system the championships will now be so close that Imsa will have no choice but to create a chase for the tudor cup.only question left to ask is what nation are you in!
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Boogity boogity let's go racing boys!
Well at the very least, DPs crashing into each other might give P2 a chance for win, though I suspect since ACO is also present at the circuit watching and judging it's in IMSA's interest to have LMP2 winning anyway. |
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