USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 335

MagVanisher · 12 Sep 2014, 02:34 (Ref:3452386)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Bad news! Starworks is shelving the incredible Honda DP until at least next year! Oh the agony!

http://racer.com/imsa/item/108474-im...-focus-to-2015

That pointless machine won't be at PLM. I guess we'll see it have mechanical trouble and fail at Daytona just because Baron can find someone to drive it, and then we'll never see it again.

There's no loss there. In fact, I don't feel sad that it's gone at least for next year.

chernaudi · 12 Sep 2014, 03:57 (Ref:3452408)

DP's weren't designed for turbo engine--Courage struggled to get the AER twin turbo V8 to work in the LC70 in '07, which was originally designed around using 4.5-5.0 liter atmo engines.

Granted, the Ford V6 works fine, but that's because Ford put a lot of effort into getting their engine to work in the cars they put them in. The Honda/HPD DP deal seemed like a toe-in water exercise and Baron just took the HPD money. From that front, you can't blame him, since BWM wouldn't endorse a DP engine program.

Marshall Pruett suggest that Starworks might go GT racing until the HPD engine programs sorts itself out.

jasonjessica09 · 12 Sep 2014, 11:08 (Ref:3452529)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

DP's weren't designed for turbo engine--Courage struggled to get the AER twin turbo V8 to work in the LC70 in '07, which was originally designed around using 4.5-5.0 liter atmo engines.

Granted, the Ford V6 works fine, but that's because Ford put a lot of effort into getting their engine to work in the cars they put them in. The Honda/HPD DP deal seemed like a toe-in water exercise and Baron just took the HPD money. From that front, you can't blame him, since BWM wouldn't endorse a DP engine program.

Marshall Pruett suggest that Starworks might go GT racing until the HPD engine programs sorts itself out.

Honda DP = bad idea/fail
Mercedes SLS or any GT3 for that matter = great idea!!

MagVanisher · 12 Sep 2014, 11:35 (Ref:3452536)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Honda DP = bad idea/fail
Mercedes SLS or any GT3 for that matter = great idea!!

Agreed to that!

As for Starworks going GT racing, I think the best option is to race in PWC if they want an all-pro lineup.

Danathar · 12 Sep 2014, 12:44 (Ref:3452556)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Rather meaningful ones at that!

Really surprised that the DP's are losing nearly two gallons of fuel. Might improve the race balancing significantly.

ESM reports that the lighter weight + dunlops result in a laptime improvement of 4 seconds at COTA (WEC time vs TUSCC)

**joeb** · 12 Sep 2014, 13:01 (Ref:3452570)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Marshall Pruett suggest that Starworks might go GT racing until the HPD engine programs sorts itself out.

Mr Baron suggested that he has been approached about running programs in multiple classes, but I was surprised to hear him say there has been a lot of interest in P2. He was also pointing out that a Pro/Am lineup can be competitive on the world stage, but also in IMSA. Would be interesting to see who has been inquiring.

Coach Ep · 12 Sep 2014, 13:57 (Ref:3452587)

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Originally Posted by Danathar

ESM reports that the lighter weight + dunlops result in a laptime improvement of 4 seconds at COTA (WEC time vs TUSCC)

Shame on you Nascar!

carbon_titanium · 12 Sep 2014, 15:02 (Ref:3452602)

shame on you continental

seanyb505 · 12 Sep 2014, 15:42 (Ref:3452616)

Shame on NASCAR. Hate the Game not the player.

Gulf · 12 Sep 2014, 15:47 (Ref:3452620)

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Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

shame on you continental

Conti wants to race their own P2 tire but they are not allowed to.

BullMan · 12 Sep 2014, 16:56 (Ref:3452638)

Remember, Conti came out and said the series mandated to them that they had to build a tire suited only for the DP. Still, it's their name on those Hoosiers, so I have no problem blaming them.

Rcz · 12 Sep 2014, 17:35 (Ref:3452643)

They run the series on a shoe string budget, what do you expect?

They could use non-spec tires for p2 cars, and spec Contis for DPs

David Land · 12 Sep 2014, 18:34 (Ref:3452666)

Why not open tire for everyone... it is a PRO freaking class.

I don't hate Continental, I hate the NASCAR mentality of making everything spec.

Rcz · 12 Sep 2014, 20:27 (Ref:3452694)

I have to ask, what would a DP do on non spec tires?

They would get a boost too you know.

Pontlieue · 12 Sep 2014, 20:39 (Ref:3452696)

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Originally Posted by Rcz

I have to ask, what would a DP do on non spec tires?

They would get a boost too you know.

Don't know, but since the current tyre was made for DP, I guess they would gain significantly less than LMP2.

David Land · 12 Sep 2014, 20:55 (Ref:3452701)

4 seconds is an absolutely HUGE gain, no way the DPs would be able to make up anywhere near that much on a better tire.

Rcz · 12 Sep 2014, 21:06 (Ref:3452704)

I would assume they might wear out sooner, but there's no guaranteed the DPs would be hampered by non spec tires.

It was thought the p2 cars would beat the DPs so easily that the P2 had to have over a 100 pounds of weight add to them and get there aero restricted.

But then they had to rescind all of that when they realized the upgrades to the DPs were so strong so all of that downgrade was not necessary.

The only thing left are the tires. But what you do if it turns out the DPs got even stronger from a non spec tire?

This new p2 BoP experiment at COTA will be interesting. They might go the other way and start going below 900kg at petit.

I've believe the problem is aero when it's DP vs P2 however. As the DPs don't lose aero grip when there behind another car as they get most of it from the diffuser underneath. Contrast to a P2 car which are more closer to a formula type car. Power and Torque is another issue.

Christian Mogami · 13 Sep 2014, 00:36 (Ref:3452752)

I wonder how many more teams will leave USCC for WEC if the Montreal race is on the schedule next year for WEC?

2 out of the 9 races in NA.

David Land · 13 Sep 2014, 01:23 (Ref:3452761)

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Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

I wonder how many more teams will leave USCC for WEC if the Montreal race is on the schedule next year for WEC?

2 out of the 9 races in NA.

I really hope they don't go to Montreal... fairly boring track and IMO not very well suited to multiclass sportscar racing.

I am still holding out hope for Road America, though I know that is not going to happen.

Christian Mogami · 15 Sep 2014, 05:50 (Ref:3453461)

Looks like GM will leave USCC if IMSA goes with the full ACO/FIA spec P2 in 2017.If they are not allowed to put a Corvette body on the new 2017 Prototype they will not race.

If you look at NASCAR history,you can almost see what is going to happen in 2017.

DP we be still racing but a CF tub replacing the steel frame.

MagVanisher · 15 Sep 2014, 07:32 (Ref:3453480)

Why do they have to leave TUSC if they already have Corvette Racing competing in GTLM- Oh wait, they want to be greedy so they wanted to win overall with a Corvette DP come 2017!

Meanwhile, Ford is okay on not putting a Mustang bodywork on a P2 chassis tub in the next 3 years. They should have made a GT bodywork draped over the Riley chassis beforehand.

Gulf · 15 Sep 2014, 11:32 (Ref:3453534)

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Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Looks like GM will leave USCC if IMSA goes with the full ACO/FIA spec P2 in 2017.If they are not allowed to put a Corvette body on the new 2017 Prototype they will not race.

If you look at NASCAR history,you can almost see what is going to happen in 2017.

DP we be still racing but a CF tub replacing the steel frame.

It seems like there is two Chevy Racings one with the nascar marketing mentality and one actual racing program. If we lose the nascar one that would be great they are part of the problem.

Danathar · 15 Sep 2014, 12:19 (Ref:3453544)

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Originally Posted by Gulf

It seems like there is two Chevy Racings one with the nascar marketing mentality and one actual racing program. If we lose the nascar one that would be great they are part of the problem.

Who knows? They might actually try to make a P2 Corvette under ACO specs. I'm sure there might be buyers for it in the ELMS/Asian and WEC P2 ranks.

Maelochs · 15 Sep 2014, 12:28 (Ref:3453547)

Let GM run the bodywork it wants---just don't cut it any performance breaks if it isn't as good as the cars designed to actually be fast.

Fogelhund · 15 Sep 2014, 13:30 (Ref:3453558)

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Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Looks like GM will leave USCC if IMSA goes with the full ACO/FIA spec P2 in 2017.If they are not allowed to put a Corvette body on the new 2017 Prototype they will not race.

If you look at NASCAR history,you can almost see what is going to happen in 2017.

DP we be still racing but a CF tub replacing the steel frame.

Really, who cares. Build a P2, or go home. #justsaynotobodykits

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