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20 Sep 2014, 16:11 (Ref:3455501) | #8476 | |
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How soon can we except Mike Shanks to come and scream why he had to invest so much money for his DP upgrades - and that he wants his hard earned bucks back - when there are no P2 to compete against anyway?
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20 Sep 2014, 16:13 (Ref:3455504) | #8477 | |
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esm making true on their threats. IMSA really needs to get their head out of the sand for the series not to die next year
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20 Sep 2014, 16:15 (Ref:3455505) | #8478 | |
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ESM is going to WEC China over TUSCC PLM!
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20 Sep 2014, 16:20 (Ref:3455507) | #8479 | |
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surely ESM will run in WEC next year, reallisticly I can see OAK coming back to TUSC only to promote the ligier, but this is unlikely too
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20 Sep 2014, 16:29 (Ref:3455517) | #8482 | |
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They pull out of Petit and then expect they won't be handed bricks to carry around? And what could they expect to learn with different tires and whatever adjustments have to be made?
I'm confused by Ed's logic: “We’re committed to going to the 24 Hours of Le Mans next year. I feel it is important for us to pick the absolute hardest race that the team could do, and that means racing in China; there’s language, food and logistics issues, among other challenges. “If we truly want to be competitive at Le Mans or any other WEC race, we need to get our hands around the series and regulations at one of the demanding location. “The best thing we can do is throw a challenge at the team. We’re going to learn so much in the week in China; it will pay huge dividends.” But then let's rip the WEC settings back off the car to run at Daytona and Sebring with different tires and rules?? I'm thinking little chance there's a real effort at either next spring without a straight WEC spec car in the event. |
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20 Sep 2014, 16:31 (Ref:3455519) | #8483 | |
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ESM will most likely ONLY will do Daytona and Sebring in TUSCC ONLY because they are great endurance test for LM.
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20 Sep 2014, 16:33 (Ref:3455522) | #8484 | ||
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20 Sep 2014, 16:33 (Ref:3455523) | #8485 | |
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The WEC races in America.
They should just not race in any tuscar race nascar is known to be very vindictive towards teams. |
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20 Sep 2014, 16:40 (Ref:3455530) | #8486 | |
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So different BOP, tires, rules means a worthwhile test?? Joining Audi, Porsche or whoever else rents Sebring in the spring would be a better investment and that doesn't seem to have hurt them not racing. It's all marketing speak, there's no TUSC racing for them left since he specifically states racing the US next year not which series. With them in the WEC race in China, LM entry targeted for 2015 and the Lonestar on a one year contract they (Patron) are looking like the piece to bring WEC back to COTA for 2015 as the LoneStar LM presented by Patron.
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20 Sep 2014, 16:59 (Ref:3455557) | #8489 | ||
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20 Sep 2014, 17:33 (Ref:3455613) | #8492 | |
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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...from-2015.html
So, best Pro-Am entries in P and GTLM in 2015 get auto-invites to 2016 24H of Le Mans (in LMP2 and GTE-Am). But the entry has to at least do the NAEC. Trying to attract more entrants? |
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20 Sep 2014, 20:13 (Ref:3455763) | #8494 | |
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And I think it's also an effort at getting a few P2s sold to guys wanting to run into the future. Or a certain lime green new P2 car for 2015 going to LM?? Big question will be if anything can carry over to LM for 2017 P2 regs.
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As with all Le Mans auto-invites it may not matter — whoever gets the auto-invite may or may not opt to use it. I think the idea is to get some TUSC gentlemen drivers to move up a weight-class to P or GTLM. It may also serve to attract some ELMS drivers/teams to come over. To do that, it would help it the ELMS season ended before Petit (which isn't the case this year). |
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So same U.S. population that hates these cars goes to drag races in numbers large enough that the Big Three will deliberately produce cars, on the production line, that will make said same population hate them, while also keeping multiple drag racing sanctions profitable. Me thinks your rhetoric has a flaw. |
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Forget our love affair with smart phones - look at the cost of housing, gas, food, etc. It all pinches the budget. Never mind that the traffic here in Orlando (and many urban suburban areas) generally isn't conducive to driving fun cars. Sitting in stop n go never driving faster than 40 mph traffic is no better in a BMW or Mustang than it is in a Prius. Combine all this with the fact that most cars today are not particularly fun (even many formerly enthusiast oriented brands like my beloved BMW have gone lost in the wilderness and no longer make truly fun to drive machines), and the most challenging "relevance" of racing may be taking the love of cars and driving from racecars and finding streetcars to be passionate about. |
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21 Sep 2014, 14:10 (Ref:3456312) | #8498 | |
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Mr. Reibe;
My rhetoric is adequate ... as is the logic behind it. Try to read carefully and maybe notice the word "generally." it's right there in the first sentence of the second paragraph. You also could have read the part where I said "Yes, I know about the Camaro and the fast Cadillac, and the Mustangs and Cobra-fied Mustangs, and the hot hatches, and all that. Thing is, none of those are really mass-marketed as sports cars. The Pony-Car/Muscle-car age is over, and "performance" is more aimed at mpg than mph—in the minds of most consumers as well as the factories." Seer how that directly refutes your complaint before you even made it? Not a smooth move on your part. These are the sort of omissions people make when they really have no valid basis to attack but want to attack anyway--deliberately mis-state or ignore part of the argument and then attack the argument that they have changed, because the original offers no easy targets. Your critique technique is somewhat lacking. Last edited by Maelochs; 21 Sep 2014 at 14:25. |
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21 Sep 2014, 21:57 (Ref:3456418) | #8499 | |
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ESM 2015 plans at the moment.
Will only do the 4 Patron sponsored TUSCC races. 2015 24hrs of Le Mans. Will do a WEC race before Le Mans. Full WEC in the cards but can't give a answer at the moment because there is no 2015 WEC schedule. |
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21 Sep 2014, 23:56 (Ref:3456444) | #8500 | ||
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And this comes from a guy that supported them and wore his ESM gear off the track too. At this point I'd rather they stayed gone and found a way to test their new chassis that didn't use they series they couldn't be bothered to race in except when it suited them. But I thought the same thing about all one-off cars in any series. |
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