2012 Silly Season

[Pro Racer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

And whether the development series drives will continue, about what is happening at Norwell with the driving centre (is VW *really* taking it over?)... so many questions... so few stories...

hmmm maybe PMM to re-appear running a Vee Dub Passat in CotF?????

[speedreader]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic
And whether the development series drives will continue, about what is happening at Norwell with the driving centre (is VW *really* taking it over?)... so many questions... so few stories...

VW ???

[Denosaur]

Let's not forget his links to BMW back in the day........

[SJA]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Interesting to read this week's AA... to 'confirm' that the 4 car DJR team is coming to a V8Supercar event near you

Mr Quinn confirmed that Mr Owen shall pilot the 4th DJR-prepared car, apparently (according to Mr Inwood) a lease of a PMM REC, as opposed to placing it at DJR and being responsible for its entry & maintenance. Of significance is that Mr Quinn doesnt seem totally enamoured by his choice of driver, referring to "...moments of goodness..." where he believed the PMM-prepared car, team and driver each underperformed to his expectations in 2011

So just to be clear, there are two ways this could have gone down:

1: PMM strike a deal with DJR for DJR to prepare and run #49 out of the DJR garage, whilst PMM still managed the entry from a commercial perspective (ala RNR/FPR)

2: PMM lease the #49 REC to DJR to run #49 as a legit 4th DJR entry.

I always thought it was going to be option 1, but it has become pretty clear that it is option 2, am I right?

Morris now has nothing to do with V8 Supercars apart from owning two RECs which he leases out...

Somehow through all of this Quinn has stayed faithful to the REC, in turn ensuring its survival and ability to be placed at DJR. Obviously this has granted him the ability to say "Steve stays"...

Sorry for the rambling - just doing the math out loud. Such a strange business this is...

[SJA]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

With AA reporting that Mr A.Davison is now no longer a possibility at BJR (for budgetary reasons apparently ), this tweet becomes more curious.

Stories from places other than AA suggest that Mr Coulthard may be enjoying piloting car #8 for BOC in 2012, and Mr Bright in a Lockwood supported #14 car... but still no clearer about the possible pilot of #21

I doubt that. I have nothing to base that on, just personally doubt it.

If A Davo was knocked back for a BJR drive due to lack of funding, my thoughts are that BJR are simply still down a sponsor (sounds as if A Davo wasn't bringing anything with him).

I think Fab's comment was based on a worst case scenario of BJR only running two cars next year - #8 BOC obviously, but which car to paint Fair Dinkum or Wilson Security/Lockwood on, #14 or #21? If they can only run two cars and are forced to lease a REC out (FPR?) they would most probably have to go with keeping #21 due to the REC being co-owned by Bright.

BJR
8 - BOC - Bright
21 - Wilson Security/Lockwood - Coulthard

FPR
5 - Orrcon - Winterbottom
6 - Trading Post - W Davison
(14) - (TBA) - (Mostert)
55 - Bottle O - Reynolds

PURE SPECULATION ON A WORST CASE SCENARIO / BACK UP PLAN FOR BJR

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by SJA

So just to be clear, there are two ways this could have gone down:

1: PMM strike a deal with DJR for DJR to prepare and run #49 out of the DJR garage, whilst PMM still managed the entry from a commercial perspective (ala RNR/FPR)

2: PMM lease the #49 REC to DJR to run #49 as a legit 4th DJR entry.

I always thought it was going to be option 1, but it has become pretty clear that it is option 2, am I right?

Morris now has nothing to do with V8 Supercars apart from owning two RECs which he leases out...

Somehow through all of this Quinn has stayed faithful to the REC, in turn ensuring its survival and ability to be placed at DJR. Obviously this has granted him the ability to say "Steve stays"...

Sorry for the rambling - just doing the math out loud. Such a strange business this is...

AA claims the deal has moved from the option 1 to the option 2 as you have outlined. Meantime, this has yet to be confirmed by PMM... Maybe the journos are to scared to dial the number and ask?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

AA claims the deal has moved from the option 1 to the option 2 as you have outlined. Meantime, this has yet to be confirmed by PMM... Maybe the journos are to scared to dial the number and ask?

havent read it, but i assume there was no quote from DJR either?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by peckstar

havent read it, but i assume there was no quote from DJR either?

There was actually... from Mr Johnson himself... at the risk of criticism from the DJR apologists...

Originally Posted by Mr Dick Johnson, as reported in AA 1473 11-17 Jan 2012 P4

"I think running four cars will be a lot easier for the team" he said

"It certainly wont be any more difficult. Mainly because it will give us the opportunity to put the right people in the right place and certainly have the right expertise in the engineering department. That will allow us (to) produce enough enough information to be able to run towards the very front of the pack"

We should frame this quote, and at the end of 2012 see if it comes back to bite them on the bum. Conventional logic suggests it might

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

We should frame this quote, and at the end of 2012 see if it comes back to bite them on the bum. Conventional logic suggests it might

Curious how everybody but 888 seem to think 4 cars is better than 2.

[St00ge]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Curious how everybody but 888 seem to think 4 cars is better than 2.

888 provide for a few more than 2 cars tho

[Axeman444]

KR want to expand to run 2 development series cars, on top of the 4 main game cars.
http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/01/13/...eries-program/

Does this mean there may be a bit of cashflow from a legal dispute that will help this along?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

KR want to expand to run 2 development series cars, on top of the 4 main game cars.
http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/01/13/...eries-program/

Does this mean there may be a bit of cashflow from a legal dispute that will help this along?

I would imagine that a team with no less than 7 VE chassis in their shed might like to create some commercial opportunities from them. KR has had at least one of their chassis for sale on my105 or in the funny papers for months and years, with no takers.

Sometimes I think the stories in Speedcafe are an extension of various teams' marketing department, by saying 'we have the capacity & desire to do X' that it has the potential to drag potential customers out of the woodwork, and into their lair with chequebooks a'waiting.

The opportunity possibly exists for the 'right' pilot(s) with the 'right' backing to slot into one of the main KR or PE cars for the season of endurance, so a link with a 'Level 1' team would be something potential pilots could sell to their sponsors/fathers etc

What you might question in the grand scheme of things is to what level of service may be provided to a car that would be wither 5th or 6th string. You might imagine too that if a team hasnt 'turned over' their fleet to customers during its lifespan, that there is an accumulation of older components, engines, chassis tune that would more than likely be pressed into service for this potential operation. Plus a crew that may or may not be the same each race weekend as they are fly-ins... plus what guarantee of engineering support.

I wonder if Speedcafe charges for these 'ads'

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

KR has had at least one of their chassis for sale on my105 or in the funny papers for months and years, with no takers.

Well there's reasons for this, I really don't think you find a 'real' customer in a my105 ad, and if there are HRT or 888 cars available why would you not go for a more 'proven' vehicle?

[GTRMagic]

Miles Racing
#10 - TBA - TBA - Ford Falcon BF
#70 - TBA - TBA - Ford Falcon FG
#90 - TBA - TBA - Ford Falcon BF

Sieders Racing Team
#13 - Bisley/All Trans/AIS - Colin Sieders/David Sieders - Ford Falcon BF

Brad Jones Racing
#20 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE
#40 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE

Paul Freestone Racing
#25 - Freestone Haulage - Paul Freestone - Ford Falcon BF

Matthew White Motorsport
#26 - Team Tom - Tom Tweedie - Ford Falcon BF
#27 - Jayco - TBA - Ford Falcon BF
#28 - Jayco - TBA - Ford Falcon BF

Eggleston Motorsport
#38 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE
#41 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE
#54 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE

Greg Murphy Racing
#45 - Tricor/Earthex/King Gee - TBA - Holden Commodore VE
#46 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE
#48 - AC Delco/Simworx/Signiversal - Geoff Emery - Holden Commodore VE
#51 - Earthex/R&J Batteries/King Gee - Daniel Jilesen - Holden Commodore VE

Novocastrian Motorsport
#58 - Carrington Equipment/Go Karts Go - Drew Russell - Ford Falcon BF
#59 - CEG Rentals/Go Karts Go - Aaren Russell - Ford Falcon BF
#60 - CEG Rentals/Carrington Equipment - Michael Hector - Ford Falcon BF

Wallis Racing
#62 - Warrin Mining/Volvo Equipment - Adam Wallis - Holden Commodore VE

Paul Morris Motorsport
#67 - Sargent Security/Berocca - Paul Morris - Holden Commodore VE
#73 - Interquip/Formula Tech - Brett Stewart - Holden Commodore VE

Action Racing
#71 - AMI Collision Centres/Midway - Marcus Zukanovic - Holden Commodore VE

Walkinshaw Performance
#74 - Super Cheap Auto/Castrol - Jack Perkins - Holden Commodore VE
#222 - Coates Hire/Morris Finance - Nick Percat - Holden Commodore VE

McGill Motorsport
#75 - Solo/NCSS/Auto Motion - Aaron McGill - Ford Falcon BF

Kelly Racing
#77 - Linde Material Handling - Cameron Waters - Holden Commodore VE
#78 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE

Triple Eight Race Engineering
#80 - Monster Energy/Gearwrench - Warren Luff - Holden Commodore VE

Tony D'Alberto Racing
#83 - TBA - TBA - Holden Commodore VE

Stone Brothers Racing
#93 - Fujitsu/QTK - Scott McLaughlin - Ford Falcon FG

Matt Stone Racing
#50 - TBA - TBA - Ford Falcon BF
#94 - Mad Croc Energy - Robert Cregan - Ford Falcon FG

Nathan Vince Motorsport
#95 - Blacktrack Haulage - Nathan Vince - Ford Falcon BF

Ford Performance Racing
#100 - SimPRO/Navy/Factory Enterprises - Chaz Mostert - Ford Falcon FG
#200 - TBA - TBA - Ford Falcon FG

Sonic Motor Racing Services
#555 - TBA - TBA - Ford Falcon BF
#777 - Bob Jane T Marts - Rodney Jane - Ford Falcon FG
#999 - TBA - George Miedecke - Ford Falcon BF

Some unconfirmed teams/drivers/seats...

[Axeman444]

are you basing the Jack-to-Walkinshaw on the Ingall deal, or is there more information out there published/known?

[alfacors]

Pretty sure that Tweedie won't be back at MWR for 2012.....

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

are you basing the Jack-to-Walkinshaw on the Ingall deal, or is there more information out there published/known?

Stories around the world suggest Mr Perkins will be in a Development Series car, presuming he doesnt land a seat at Tekno,

There has been noise around WP wanting to use their spare chassis, originally mooted by Mr Eggleston as a sale to him, but more recently spoken of as a WP-supported effort.

Conceptually, staying in a Sonic 888-built BF and copiloting a 888-built FG alongside Mr Owen could be a closer solution... presuming Mr Morris doesnt return to the enduros..

[speedreader]

Isnt Scott McLaughlin still in the mix for the GRM seat or have I missed something ?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by speedreader

Isnt Scott McLaughlin still in the mix for the GRM seat or have I missed something ?

Arguably so are half the CAMS licence holders in Australia

[madman16]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

#222 - Coates Hire/Morris Finance - Nick Percat - Holden Commodore VE

Is that Paul Morris

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by madman16

Is that Paul Morris

No.. Nothing to do with the PMM Morris clan.

Morris Finance is an equipment & machinery financing company, based in Geelong, who happen to personally sponsor Nick Percat as a sports ambassador, as well as being a ten-tenths.com banner advertiser

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Sometimes I think the stories in Speedcafe are an extension of various teams' marketing department, by saying 'we have the capacity & desire to do X' that it has the potential to drag potential customers out of the woodwork, and into their lair with chequebooks a'waiting.

With that sort of thinking GTR, maybe you should apply for that FPR job you posted in another thread. But you are right, nothing to stop them or any other team doing that to try and drag customers out.



As for comments regarding running 3 or 4 cars better than 2, you'll find most teams say that it's a "scale of economies" thing rather than engineering. I don't know how it works out cheaper having to buy inventory for 3 or 4 cars, but if there's a discount for bulk, then so be it.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

As for comments regarding running 3 or 4 cars better than 2, you'll find most teams say that it's a "scale of economies" thing rather than engineering. I don't know how it works out cheaper having to buy inventory for 3 or 4 cars, but if there's a discount for bulk, then so be it.

There are supposedly two theories here.. that the teams can run 4 drivers and get 4 inputs as to chassis tune, feel & development, which if the engineering prowess inside the team is up to snuff will be able to settle on a development direction sooner (presumed of course that all 4 drivers can actually positively contribute to this process... ) as well as working the machinery & equipment in the shed making widgets a bit harder, reducing unit cost..

In theory, in a 4 car team, the spares cache can be seen to be lower, carrying fewer engines, suspension parts etc etc on the road, again reducing cost of operation.

But I dont see any of these things as actually being 'easier' in the sense that there needs to be an infrastructure built up to support these endeavours, as as with most growing pains, sometimes this stuff takes a while to gel.

888 kind of has the best of both worlds, running 4 Commodores & 4 Falcons in the main game, but only responsible at the race track for the performance of two of these...

[GTRMagic]

I am sure there are changes visible in the funny papers this week but a couple of updates...

#	REC	Prep	Brand	Sponsor	Driver
1	888	888	Holden	Vodafone	Whincup
2	HRT	HRT	Holden	Toll	Tander
3	TDR	TDR	Ford	Bellmont	D’Alberto
4	SBR	SBR	Ford	Irwin Tools	Holdsworth
5	FPR	FPR	Ford	Orrcon	Winterbottom
6	FPR	FPR	Ford	Trading Post	W.Davison
7	KR	KR	Holden	Jack Daniels	T.Kelly
8	BJR	BJR	Holden	BOC	Bright
9	SBR	SBR	Ford	SP Tools	van Gisbergen
11	PE	KR	Holden	Pepsi Max	Murphy
12	FFF	DJR	Ford	Jim Beam	Fiore
14	BJR	BJR	Holden	Lockwood	Coulthard
15	KR	KR	Holden	Jack Daniels	R.Kelly
16	PE	KR	Holden	Stratco	Reindler
17	DJR	DJR	Ford	Jim Beam	Johnson
18	CS	DJR	Ford	Toshiba	Moffat
19	Tekno	Tekno	Holden	Tekno	Webb
21	Jobri	BJR	Holden	Wilson Security	Wall
22	HRT	HRT	Holden	Coates Hire	Courtney
30	LDM	LDM	Holden	Hitachi Equipment	Douglas
33	GRM	GRM	Holden	Fujitsu	TBC
34	GRM	GRM	Holden	Fujitsu	Caruso
47	JRR	SBR	Ford	Lucky 7	Slade
49	PMM	DJR	Ford	VIP Petfoods	Owen
55	RNR	FPR	Ford	Bottle O	Reynolds
66	HRT	HRT	Holden	SuperCheap	Ingall
91	PMM	Tekno	Holden	Tekno	TBC
888	888	888	Holden	Vodafone	Lowndes

Two driving TBC's to go still... and more sponsor TBC's too

[GTRMagic]

And meantime...



Is there a spare FPR driver in the house?