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27 Aug 2015, 23:54 (Ref:3569277) | #8901 | ||
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IMO, DTM should ban team orders, but that's a different story.
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Join bobec in the DTM thread to discuss the incident: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...142863&page=14
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There is police inquiry now about the incident. Do we think Ullrich will be present at all of the remaining WEC events if this goes awry? If nothing else, maybe Audi thinks it bad PR having him there?
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I can see him sitting the WEC out if anything comes of the enquiry, to take any undue attention off the team if nothing else. Between Reinke & Juttner I'm sure Audi have the personnel to handle major decisions in Ullrich's absence.
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Lawsuits have been made of much, much, much smaller happenings.
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Anyone think that Audi may've guessed wrong on their aero package for the Nurburgring? I know that their race pace should be better, but in FP3 and qualifying they weren't especially fast in any of the sectors in spite of having higher trap speeds than the Porsches.
Did Audi guess wrong on the aero for the Nurburgring, or is it simply still down to Porsche still having qualifying lap pace? Or did Audi chose this aero package because it should better suit them at the other tracks remaining on the schedule, namely Fuji, Shanghai and Bahrain? BTW, the front fenders on the Porsche look like what I was hoping Audi would do for their sprint package (and are very similar to how Audi contoured theirs from the side on their Silverstone package). I'm wondering if Audi decided to run their Silverstone package here if it would make any difference in lap times? |
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Some interesting (and worrying) report indicating that Audi actually have only two engines to play with for the remainder of the season (one used engine and one new engine). The first engine used at Silvertsone, Spa and Wednesday practice of LM was apparently taken apart and the seals opened, meaning that it cannot be used again.
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It was not taken apart, but, the electronic seals failed to read, they are RF tags. It was an Audi issue, not an ACO one, therefore, per the rules, it's just as good as if had been opened up. |
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Interesting... that story has changed...
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That could explain the somewhat reduced pace in free practice, if Audi are now having to stretch their remaining engines to the absolute limit.
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That means that judging the pace of the #7 Audi might be hard to judge at least in FP1/2 until the end of the season or when they have to take the penalty, especially if they're using old engines to try and get though the end of the season (only problem with that assessment is that the #8 hasn't been really any slower or faster).
If we knew that the EOT would speed up the Audis/slow down the Porsches, or if Porsche sticks to their high downforce kit the rest of the season, then Audi could take the penalty at one of the tracks with a slower lap time (Shanghai probably), and still have a good shot at ending up on the podium. IMO, it seem that Audi chose a modified LM aero kit knowing that it wouldn't be 100% optimal for Nurburgring, knowing that the rest of the tracks favor straightline speed. I can't see Porsche doing well at Shanghai, Bahrain and especially Fuji if they still run their new HD kit. Even though it did achieve 317km/h at Nur, I can't seem them doing those speeds without taking off a lot of downforce. Though to be honest, I'm betting that Audi now sort of regret taking apart the pre-LM engine once it reached what they though was the end of its useful life. Any more news on the #9 possibly making a return in some races? |
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If you were gonna bring the third car back in post LM period, Ring would have been the best choice for such right? Same for Porsche... |
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Reinke says that Audi's hybridized LM package won't be it's greatest at Nurburgring and COTA:
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That leads me to a very basic question: If the only remaining used engine is the one that was actually raced at LM, i.e. the very same engine that was found to have defective electronic seals, have Audi been allowed to replace the relevant seals on that particular engine ? |
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How can the ACO-FIA actually check that this is the same engine that raced at LM if the relevant seals are (still) defective ? Could be that the defective seals cannot be replaced and that they have to rely on the remaining hopefully working seals. |
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You answered your own question it seems. They used two engines because they admitted to a change. Then the changed (new) engine was found to have additional broken seals. So they get penalized twice. |
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Considering that this is the very same used engine that they have run for FP1 and FP2 last Friday, how can the ACO-FIA check that this is the same engine as previously used at LM ? Are they exclusively relying on any of the remaining functional seals ? Are Audi allowed to replace the defective seals ? Last edited by MyNameIsNigel; 29 Aug 2015 at 22:13. |
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The penalty you linked to says seals were moved, so obviously thats not allowed. Since theyre electronic seals, I guess the fia has a way to check if theyre still 'connected'. Maybe the regs have the wording on how theyre installed or checked.
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