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Thank you, and that all makes sense. I have watched this class closely and I would agree with you. I know a lot of the NZ drivers who have run in this series over the years and there have certainly been issues with respect to it being a level playing field. The other problem (for those of us who don't have deep pockets) is that you need to pay the top team mega (and there's only really one) if you want to be competitive. And that knocks out a lot of talent.
The NZST business model is totally different to TRS. Aside from the obvious parity with the cars (which many people seem to dislike), they should be easier to engineer as there doesn't seem to be anything really tricky about them. Just the usual camber and toe, shock settings, ride height, TP's etc. |
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10 Dec 2011, 21:49 (Ref:2998196) | #878 | ||
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You can sell everyone the exact same equipment and there will always be a mechanical engineering guru that can make it work better than anyone or a driver that can figure out how to make that car work for them better than anyone. I think if one is going to start a series from scratch I'd say: 1. Have a car that looks good, sounds good and that fans will enjoy watching. 2. Make the car simple and designed as such so it is simple to work on and fix. 3. Have a car that is a challenge to drivers, yet enjoyable to drive. 4. Standardize parts that have no relevance to the actual racing to keep costs down(safety equipment, electronics, etc.) and open up other aspects of the car that are relevant to fans and the actual racing(engines, tires, body kits, etc). TRS I think has been reasonably successful, it certainly gave a chance for some talent to shine. I think they'll have to figure out soon what their next step is going to be. NZST I think has done a good job in a lot of areas. Probably the main thing I would have liked to have seen is an option for a Ford related engine. |
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10 Dec 2011, 23:26 (Ref:2998221) | #879 | ||
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I meant this - A level playing field is about fairness, where everyone plays by the same set of rules with equal equipment, not that each player has an equal chance to succeed (because each driver/engineer combo has different skill sets). How can you be sure of having equal equipment when someone with a lap-top comes along, has a twiddle with your engine management software, you have no idea what they're doing (and they won't tell you), and then your car runs differently!
Anyway, that's a minor point of difference. I agree with you except for point 4. If you open up engines, tyres and body kits, it easily becomes cheque book racing, and that's exactly what NZST are setting out to avoid. |
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11 Dec 2011, 05:55 (Ref:2998284) | #880 | ||
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I would love someone to tell me how Swift sport as a feeder class would teach a driver more than vees and f/fords technically,there's a lot of average drivers starting to come thru. some of you will be very surprised when the line up for January is announced on monday for TRS. Really now only serious Kiwi racers will try TRS especially if their adviser's have half a clue. BTW there are 26 TRS cars in NZ including the test car. Last edited by harcey; 11 Dec 2011 at 06:21. |
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11 Dec 2011, 06:34 (Ref:2998289) | #881 | ||
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11 Dec 2011, 08:35 (Ref:2998310) | #882 | |
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there isnt a driver in V8ST who cant afford to be or who isnt being bankrolled.about half of the proposed field are chequebook entries of dubious real talent.,nothing changes-there will be 2 performance groups quite away apart.
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11 Dec 2011, 18:48 (Ref:2998487) | #883 | ||
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Hey I just checked out V8ST revamped website, way cool, even got a time clock counting down to the first event! www.v8supertourers.co.nz Last edited by GizzFan; 11 Dec 2011 at 18:49. Reason: info |
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11 Dec 2011, 19:58 (Ref:2998517) | #884 | ||
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, only 10 cars on the NZV8 grid this weekend...
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11 Dec 2011, 20:06 (Ref:2998522) | #885 | ||
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Not only bugger all cars but they were very spread out. Made for very boring racing.
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11 Dec 2011, 21:00 (Ref:2998539) | #886 | ||
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At least it's Ford/Holden racing not....... Holden/Ford badged Holden racing
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11 Dec 2011, 21:39 (Ref:2998551) | #888 | ||
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So as soon as a Ford uses a Holden engine it's a Holden?
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11 Dec 2011, 21:41 (Ref:2998552) | #889 | ||
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Well they will, but that's not what Ugy is talking about.
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11 Dec 2011, 22:28 (Ref:2998566) | #890 | ||
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Haha... if someone listed the amount of control parts in an NZV8 engine you would hardly call it ford or holden
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11 Dec 2011, 23:05 (Ref:2998573) | #891 | ||
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Hey that's weird, the post I replied to has disappeared. Clues anyone?
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12 Dec 2011, 00:04 (Ref:2998589) | #893 | ||
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There was a 20b powered Corvette Transam at the Puke round in the GTs. I wouldn't call it a Mazda.
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12 Dec 2011, 03:24 (Ref:2998630) | #895 | ||
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ahh touche
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12 Dec 2011, 05:07 (Ref:2998640) | #896 | |
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Hey check out V8 Supercars website today, the Mac Attack has ditched SBR for FPR and joins Will Davidson for the enduro's next year.
So maybe either Davo or Frosty might be in JM second entry wouldnt that be be cool!! Hmm wonder how the Kid feels about this lets hope that he gets a ride with somebody that can do the same job as Johny like say Craig Baird now that we be a hell of an enduro pairing wouldnt it. |
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12 Dec 2011, 19:36 (Ref:2998883) | #898 | |
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What do you call fast? like Kayne Scotts 54.5 in Petchs Dodge Viper, or 55.2 by Nick Chesters 800 HP VZ? and by the way i could be wrong but im sure the 20B rotary is still sporting the old Camaro body work. Checking Camerons times at Ruapuna, last weekend, they are way of the top Transam times, like at least 4 seconds.
Back on topic V8ST, it will be bloody interesting to see what times the St boyes get down to at Ruapuna, my guess is a low 1.25 is on the cards down there. Mylaps showed the best time mitchels car did was 1.31.65 about 2 second of Foggies time of 1.29.6 so considering the car is supposed to weigh 150 Kg's less than an NZV8 and has heaps more rubber its got a long to go. |
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12 Dec 2011, 19:48 (Ref:2998892) | #899 | ||
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Yes it is till wearing a Camaro dress.
No idea gizz, as this was Ruapuna where i think it was about 2 secs off the Kayne Scotts corvette lap time (I can't remember if he was doing 23s or 21s) But it was much faster than anything else there. |
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