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Nope you are getting them confused with Red Bull. You need to listen to the Beyond the Grid podcast with Karen Horner from a couple of years ago. It was the ultimate cringefest in self righteousness. Basically when looking back at the 2021 season he made it all about how his team were the good guys who did no wrong and all the controversy was caused by Merc. Stuck up for Masi, ignoring the fact he criticised just as much as everyone else prior to AD. Couldn’t just admit he got lucky with Masi’s decision at the end. What really summed it up for me was when he was asked about the Brazil incident and whether both Lewis and Max were feeling the pressure, he immediately answered “oh Lewis definitely”, showing that he can’t even admit his own driver might be in the wrong sometimes So don’t tell me Lewis and Merc are worse. Lewis has never pushed another driver like Max has. Also Lewis can take one for the team, like Hungary 2017, despite the fact he was in an intense title fight at the time. Unlike Max who refused to help Checo in Brazil despite the fact he was already champ. And Toto has defended Max, saying that he doesn’t think his dominance is harming F1 and that slowing Red Bull would be like WWE. Unlike Horner who was always crying about how Merc dominance was ruining F1 and they needed to be slowed. I rest my case that Merc has a much more grounded and less poisonous atmosphere than RBR |
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Both Horner and Wolff have both praised each other's drivers and also been negative about them, not unusual in competition generally. Neither is pure, one isn't necessarily better than the other and it is certainly true that they are all as bad as each other when they choose to be bad. |
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Perhaps there should be a poll, for dirtiest F1 driver ever.
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It would be funny if max goes to MB-AMG
All those years of Toto hating on him, and christian singing his praises as st Gabreal's right hand man... turned on its head/ |
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I dont think I have ever thought of lewis as clean driver and he is famous for dummy spits, calling my tyres are had it, blaming the pit crew.
When the main game of the last 5 years or so has been some upstart young foreigner vs "He is an English man! Hurrah for the English man!" SIR Lewis. Who is the mostly UK based English language media (sky sports f1 and most of the print/web media) going to praise and fawn over? Even more so given Lewis is more media savvy and friendly where Max tends to hide awy making column inches and quotes harder work. |
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Shall we move back to the point about Russell? Apologies if previously mentioned, but just my thoughts.
I think we all agree he had an underwhelming 23' season, but i personally feel he had a strong 22' season with Mercedes's only win and outscoring Hamilton. And, by my recollection, the only other drivers in F1 to outscore Hamilton over a season were Alonso, Button and Rosberg. And, of course, there were all former WDCs or in Rosberg's case, won the WDC that season. Fully appreciate the 22' season was slightly odd with the rule change but that was true for both drivers at Mercedes. So, I personally feel that Russell has done enough for the team to pivot behind him this year as the potential leader in 25'.....but the pressure now is firmly on and if anything, that seemed to be his undoing last year. We'll see! |
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You'd have to assume that Mercedes will favour Russell this season - Hamilton will gradually be sidelined and edged out as the season progresses (as will Sainz at Ferrari). This gives Russell the chance to prove that he's the future lead driver that the team need - if he doesn't take that chance then Toto will need to find another top bracket driver from somewhere, if George does step up then Toto can settle for a 'good not great' driver for the second seat.
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I guess that depends on who they're looking at - if they're considering drivers that are under contract with other teams then there's less time pressure on the decision. If Russell looks the part then they've got the options of Antonelli and Schumacher on their books already for the supporting role. I think the only driver they really need to make a quick decision on would be Sainz - before he signs for someone else.
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Merc have said both drivers will be treated fairly. However this is a big season for Russell to show he is first class material
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I'm with you peebee - I feel he may be destined to the same fate as the other F1 driver from Kings Lynn!!
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Well, George always comes over well when interviewed, perhaps he would eventually make a good pundit for TV. But that would also have to come after quite a bit of success in sports cars...
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Russell got a win and 19 top 5's in his first year at Mercedes. Yet it seems to count for nothing for a lot of ppl because of 2023. He already proved himself in 2022. And even in 2023, he beat hamiton in qualifying. They ended up tied for GP qualifying. But Russell out paced him in sprint qualifying which is as fair of a tie breaker as anything Last edited by PanozDP01; 20 Feb 2024 at 05:11. |
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F2 is very hit and miss as an arbiter. Latifi eventually finishing second is a great example.
Russell beat a very demotivated Hamilton by a relatively small margin in 2022, then was destroyed by a still far from his best Hamilton in 2023. These are reasons why Russell has not convinced those he needs to as of yet. |
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It wasn't close. Not only did Russell beat Hamilton in 2022. So did Carlos Sainz. Suddenly now , F2 titles mean nothing eh. Norris and Albon are #1 drivers in F1. Russell beat them both. Leclercs rookie F2 title is what got him the Ferrari #1 seat. Oh really. Russell hasn't convinced those he needs to. He very much has in reality. This is why Hamilton wasn't offered more than 1 year plus an option in his last 2 contract negotiations. The attempts to water down Russell by LH fans is just funny. |
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