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Nick Heidfeld!
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15 Sep 2011, 14:03 (Ref:2955960) | #927 | ||
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Is there a prize for guessing which thread you meant to post that in?
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He's also most likely to stay behind after a race, more than any other driver, talking to his engineers, long after all the others have left. In contrast to that, Webber left the circuit at Monza, long before the race had finished. Vettel is doing exactly what Schumacher did. That's part of the German mentality, I guess. Attention to detail. |
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15 Sep 2011, 21:05 (Ref:2956105) | #930 | ||
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Obviously not. Having no idea that it was Vettel and seeing no other reference to this thread I thought you had posted in the wrong thread. I don't think that's too unreasonable considering your signature... had there been any mention of work ethic or research or whatever before, it would have been obvious.
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15 Sep 2011, 22:23 (Ref:2956134) | #931 | ||
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It looked pretty obvious to me...
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15 Sep 2011, 22:52 (Ref:2956147) | #932 | |
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Hang on, dont hang me out to dry Read what I posted
There is no denying that Webber was left for dead for the best part of the season. He is being out qualified, out paced, out raced and IMO that was evident in Hungary where he felt he had to roll the dice to even have a hope. Ditto Monza where he was trying for too much in the first few laps to try and get on level pegging with Vettel and the leaders. But, my point is in isolation there is nothing really wrong with is current race pace and his ability to move through the field for position amongst the top tier drivers. Its not better then Vettels, but its about there. Close enough that its not the obvious problem. Where he is losing out is in his starts and to a lesser extent his quali. Where Vettel is leaving all for dead in his ability to qualify, not make mistakes and pump out fast laps only when its required. I suppose its easy to read my attempt to critique Webber as an attempt to defend him How many fastest laps has Webber had? Shows that he is having to push harder in races to recover from bad positions much like Button on occasion. If he can just get the car off the line, and not be so crap and the first lap it will be interesting to see if he can press Vettel like Hamo and Button have done. He needs 2/3 races to be like Silverstone and 1/3 where the roles are reversed. i recognise that this isnt happening because Seb is simply too good at present, my point is trying to critique where he is going wrong. Small things make a huge difference ...and HughGJohnson...agree 100%. His pace and race craft are fine....not better, but not the problem. Its the other areas where he is being left behind Last edited by OZ_HCR32; 15 Sep 2011 at 23:05. |
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I disagree that Webber has better racecraft. Webber isn't as good at looking after the car and tyres as Vettel. He almost always has to pit first. And at least in the first part of the season that was then forcing Vettel to pit as well to cover him, even though he was probably being much more conservative on his tyres. This new no refueling rule, leaving cars on new tyres much quicker, is to Webbers advantage this year over Vettel.
The reason why Webber often is quite quick in races against Vettel is because he simply pushes all race long. Even when he's second and several seconds behind Vettel with 10 laps to go, he still won't give up and pushes like mad. It's a bit stupid at times. Vettel on the other hand builds a gap, then just manages it and only pushes when he needs to. I think there's a good chance Webber would have finished second at Monza. He'd have stopped early to jump the McLarens and Schumi and made short work of Alonso. |
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It will forever bemuse (& amuse!) me why some still believe Webber is a match for Vettel. How many knock out punches is it going to take? . |
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I'n sure there will be no point having a Seb V Mark part 4 thread, but Mark reckon's he'll be stronger in 2012
He also agrees that any chance of a WDC has passed him by. |
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Why would he be better in 2012? Vettel is quicker because he does everything better than Webber, full stop. Nothing the team can do about it. |
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Go read the original story and not what is being posted on other websites...
Q: Do you think it was your last shot at the World Championship? A: Yes of course, I do think that last year was my last chance at being World Champion. But I've pushed very very hard and done many many things that other people could not have achieved so I'm very proud of what I did. Now swap last with best and there is a story going around that the question was asked using the word "best" and went to print using "last" I just want Webber to hold position off the line....seriously. Surely they would be doing straight line aero testing if it was purely a driver thing and getting loads of practice in. Can it be a combo of technical and hackness? |
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I really think that the RBR drivers are treated absolutely equally, and I think that they have sufficient resources to do so.
Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32 "I just want Webber to hold position off the line....seriously. Surely they would be doing straight line aero testing if it was purely a driver thing and getting loads of practice in." Couldn't agree more, I find his performance off the start weird. There are not many rubbish starts across the grid these days, yet Webber seems to be rubbish every race! Unbelievable! This is just another reason they need to bring back testing! It is poor that elite atheletes drivers are not allowed to practice, artificial beyond reason! |
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I'm sure i read somewhere that Mark blamed his poor starts on the Pirelli tres.
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Sadly, whilst Mark will get good equipment(i.e. a Newey designed car) next year and might win a few races, he will just be making up the numbers. Next to Vettel he will be a 'number two driver'. Vettel has upped his game so much. Plus he is younger. A shame as Webber is a decent guy and I admired his Aussie spirit for fighting for the title in 2010(his races at Silverstone, Monaco and Hungary were amasing). That was realistically his chance of a WDC.
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Webber himself doesn't seem too stressed, himself having said in the last few hours "I'm hearing about a misquote about my plans to fight for the title next year, always possible to miss/add a few words for a good story.." |
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My apologies if i misunderstood you. I think that Mark is a down to earth, realistic fella, i think you get what you read so to speak. I'm sure he feels that, right now, his team mate is on a different planet and that there is no way that he can touch him. That isn't likely to change. Seb is going from strength to strength, Mark is in the twilight of his career, and in all likelihood, facing his last season in the sport, so what he's saying is true. 2010 was his last realistic chance of a WDC and 2012 isn't likely to be any different.
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In the same equipment, and no Helmut Marko in sight, Webber beats Vettel.
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Interestingly, Kimi was one second faster than Webber in the same "very wet" conditions. Not only that, Kimi also seemed more interested in the parked helicopters than setting a fast time. Kimi4thewin!
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