Gauteng/Kyalami thread - Page 4

Hazard · 22 Feb 2009, 15:11 (Ref:2401872)

Yesterday's history and finding the direct URL's worked for me.

Fair races - nothing special. The telemetry is awesome though, A1GP is leading all other series on this front.

Ireland being punted out's helped get the championship going - looked like Carroll was going to walk it otherwise.

Great drives from Bleeky and Jani

rychard · 22 Feb 2009, 15:51 (Ref:2401891)

It was a brilliant day. fast cars, glamour, colour and atmosphere.

Each day the circuit looked better as teams worked during the nights to finish painting. It was 100 X better than Durban ..........

kerrmanningjarv · 22 Feb 2009, 16:03 (Ref:2401895)

Brilliant feature race in my opinion - action throughout, overtaking and close racing along with pit dramas and collisions too. I really really enjoyed it.

kerrmanningjarv · 22 Feb 2009, 16:05 (Ref:2401898)

Wonderful feature race

had me on the edge of my seat from start to finish. Neel once again showed why he was the class of the field, as did Filipe A. coming through the field.

Also great drives from Felipe Guimaraes, Zahir Ali and Daniel Morad too,

RichardRenes · 22 Feb 2009, 17:48 (Ref:2401935)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nic.v814

Team New Zealand seem to be struggling with the new car, they dont seem to be getting the results as easily as last year.

I think something else is happening.. This year, New Zealand is not partnering with anyone, and it starts to show, as teams like Netherlands, Ireland, Portugal and Switserland are now gaining an advantage fast.

Mak · 22 Feb 2009, 18:55 (Ref:2401956)

Richard, 100% false.... Team NZ is still part of the David Sears group of teams as it has been for last 3 seasons. It is partnered with India, Brazil and Lebannon. It is totally the same crew, engineer as in previous seasons.

kerrmanningjarv · 22 Feb 2009, 19:02 (Ref:2401963)

Correct, NZL is with Brazil now, while India and Lebanon are also together... but all 4 share data.

**gomick** · 23 Feb 2009, 00:43 (Ref:2402090)

Disappnting round for Team Australia with the Bushfire Relief support - next round fella's

Kiwi3 · 23 Feb 2009, 03:18 (Ref:2402139)

Australia are getting better and better and seem to have got a much better grip on the new car than they got on the old one. That podium for John Martin cannot be far away.

nic.v814 · 23 Feb 2009, 03:52 (Ref:2402146)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi3

Australia are getting better and better and seem to have got a much better grip on the new car than they got on the old one. That podium for John Martin cannot be far away.

Why doesnt NZ and Ozzy work together??

Armco Bender · 23 Feb 2009, 06:22 (Ref:2402171)

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Why doesnt NZ and Ozzy work together??

Because you guys bowled the underarm....

Hard luck for NZL,not much you can do about a kamikazee attack.

MCWB · 23 Feb 2009, 06:45 (Ref:2402175)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Because you guys bowled the underarm....

Love it!

Looks like once again we had some great action, I really hope this thing stays afloat!

Kiwi3 · 23 Feb 2009, 06:57 (Ref:2402178)

NZ might as well be a state of Australia. It is pretty is in sporting terms, culturally, and economically, the only thing in the way is pride. Also I see in the news today that a common border may soon happen, another step in that direction.

Sorry to be off-topic.

P.S. Reason given for the official web site appearing unavailable was simply that the server could not handle the high demand. Perhaps A1GP is still picking up fans or perhaps lots of people in South Africa were tuning in.

kerrmanningjarv · 23 Feb 2009, 22:00 (Ref:2402746)

I would not blame Fauzy totally for Bamber's incident - did you see how many times and how vigourously Bamber was defending? Fauzy went for a move, Bamber shut the door HARD and they touched. Hardly all Fauzy's fault.

Seems that just because he had a collision with the popular Irish team, that everyone is blaming him for the NZL incident too.

Kiwi3 · 24 Feb 2009, 02:09 (Ref:2402851)

If the one direction change rule applies then I agree that some of Bamber's defensive driving was borderline, but I think the actual incident was a case of an agricultural nerf up the rear from Fauzy. No doubt he sees it differently.

The Ireland clash was even worse, Carroll had given him ample room.

diabloA1 · 24 Feb 2009, 02:48 (Ref:2402862)

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Originally Posted by Kiwi3

The Ireland clash was even worse, Carroll had given him ample room.

Were you able to see where exactly Fauzy was in relation to Carroll just before contact? There was no footage of this. Fauzy is not expected to oblige to Carrol go "After you sir!" as he was maintaining his line.

Whether Fauzy should have given Carroll space to 'close the door' depends on where he was in relation to Carroll's car. Also remember that the stewards would have seen this and would have penalized Fauzy for any wrong doing.

So far we're making conclusions based only on Carroll's viewpoint and we expect him to say that he was 'wronged'. That is what drivers do.

RichardRenes · 24 Feb 2009, 08:07 (Ref:2402950)

May the action vs Carroll be in doubt, the action vs Bamber definately is not, and he should have been punished for that. It's just that the car was out of the race soo soon that stewards perhaps thought not having to punish him to begin with.

In my humble opinion, he should not have been allowed to claim the point for fast lap.

But this the team GBR tread. a discussion about whom hit who should be in the Gauteng race tread

diabloA1 · 24 Feb 2009, 08:55 (Ref:2402969)

They can always suspend him from future races if he was deemed to have been driving recklessly. I think Ammermuller got that reward for his Sepang antics.

Anyway perhaps moderator can move this last series of posts to the other thread

Jimmy Magnusson · 24 Feb 2009, 16:53 (Ref:2403263)

Not going to say anything about the Carroll/Fauzy incident, but while the blame laid at Fauzy's door for the incident with NZL Bamber had already made himself well deserving of it with that weaving.

strider · 24 Feb 2009, 21:31 (Ref:2403485)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi3

If the one direction change rule applies then I agree that some of Bamber's defensive driving was borderline, but I think the actual incident was a case of an agricultural nerf up the rear from Fauzy. No doubt he sees it differently.

The Ireland clash was even worse, Carroll had given him ample room.

Agreed in both respects.

Bamber's blocking was so bad that he was slowing both himseld Fauzy. If Fauzy had used his intelligence, he could have used this to create a clean, decisive pass.

There's nothing more to be said about the incident with Carroll. Adam was taken out, simple as that.

F3 Rocks · 24 Feb 2009, 21:33 (Ref:2403488)

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Originally Posted by kerrmanningjarv

I would not blame Fauzy totally for Bamber's incident - did you see how many times and how vigourously Bamber was defending? Fauzy went for a move, Bamber shut the door HARD and they touched. Hardly all Fauzy's fault.

Seems that just because he had a collision with the popular Irish team, that everyone is blaming him for the NZL incident too.

100% agree

F3 Rocks · 24 Feb 2009, 21:55 (Ref:2403504)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi3

If the one direction change rule applies then I agree that some of Bamber's defensive driving was borderline, but I think the actual incident was a case of an agricultural nerf up the rear from Fauzy. No doubt he sees it differently.

The Ireland clash was even worse, Carroll had given him ample room.

I think you need to change "defensive driving" for "deliberate blocking" of a quicker car, and as for Adam he paid the price for trying a move using push to pass on the dirty part of a very green track then shuting the door. Incidently Adam had no hard feelings after the race, that was left to his team bosses $$$$$$$$$$, and as for your coment agricultural nerf............thats plain Stupid. This series needs drivers like Fauzy who try and overtake on the track.

F3 Rocks · 24 Feb 2009, 22:00 (Ref:2403511)

[quote=strider]Agreed in both respects.

Bamber's blocking was so bad that he was slowing both himseld Fauzy. If Fauzy had used his intelligence, he could have used this to create a clean, decisive pass.

Another piece of expert advice from an armchair driver coach, "intelligence" needs to be used in this forum also........

Kiwi3 · 25 Feb 2009, 02:53 (Ref:2403630)

Quote:

Originally Posted by F3 Rocks

This series needs drivers like Fauzy who try and overtake on the track.

There was plenty of successful overtaking during the race - just not from Fauzy...

And Adam had no hard feelings after the race? Quote on Autosport: "I'm pretty annoyed, pretty angry with the Malaysia driver"

I stand by my 'agricultural nerf' comment.

F3 Rocks · 25 Feb 2009, 08:51 (Ref:2403729)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi3

There was plenty of successful overtaking during the race - just not from Fauzy...

And Adam had no hard feelings after the race? Quote on Autosport: "I'm pretty annoyed, pretty angry with the Malaysia driver"

I stand by my 'agricultural nerf' comment.

Quotes come from the teams PR, you got Mark Gallagher's view not Adams.

As they are great friends I'm sure he would not refer to him as "The Malaysian driver" you really should not believe all you read in the press, Spin, Spin, Spin.

As for your other naive comment best keep schoolboy jibes to yourself

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