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Lewis would still be ahead of Vettel but by 10 points, that's if he gets a 5 second penalty.
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Appendix L For anyone who wants to read it: https://www.fia.com/file/69631/downl...token=iw8UzQo0
What you're looking for is Chapter 4, Part 4. - Entrance to the pit lane a) The section of track leading to the pit lane shall be referred to as the “pit entry”. b) During competition, access to the pit lane is allowed only through the pit entry. c) Any driver intending to leave the track or to enter the pit lane should make sure that it is safe to do so. d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track by a car entering the pit lane is prohibited. I'm no expert on the rules, but this one does seem like it's written down in the rules and isn't as 'circuit by circuit' as I originally thought it was. |
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He didn’t enter the pit lane. Although you could say at one point he did intend to!
I do think the exact details of the entry and exit are often discussed before a race. Probably if it is particularly dangerous? I wonder how it is going in the stewards’ room. |
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To be honest, based on what is in that Appendix, I can't see him not being penalised. The pit lane entry is defined as the surface between the Safety Car Line and Pit Lane Speed Limit line. So the area he was on is most certainly the pit entry. It says that crossing the line in any direction, which he did. And he was certainly entering the pit lane. Aborting that doesn't mean he wasn't entering it.
Yeah, it's another case of too many rules in F1, but when you break it down it seems black and white to me. |
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I agree, it says 'pit entry'. Seems clear enough to me.
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It’ll come down to those rules and what else was said - that’s why they have stewards. I still haven’t watched it again.
To be clear it wasn’t me who suggested beheading. I would never do that to my beloved Lewi. |
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What’s to say other than you either agree or don’t?
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11 minutes of Safety Car to clear up one single car that wasn't even that heavily damaged?
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Anyway. Vettel. That was a small, but crucial mistake.
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For Lewis or the Stewards?
It would have been easier for them to give a 5s penalty. Take the rules at face value and remove any consistency talk. I don’t mind the decision, although I think that is because I take this less seriously than most. |
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If an outcome of a violation can be taken into account, shouldn't the fact that he went off-track and gained time by not pitting also be taken into account? According to a lot of people (and the stewards mostly) drivers should be punished for 'not losing time' by going off-track.
I am slightly sarcastic for effect, but it shows how ludicrous this decision is. Why does it matter in any way what caused the violation? 'Confusion on the radio' my ass, they were clearly telling him to come in. |
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Why does the gain matter? I get that point. Although you can have a view either way. I suppose that is how they view cutting corners.
The specifics of what you say don’t really make much different. There was practically no time gain as it was under SC and slower than taking the normal line. There was clearly confusion. In in in, no out, in, no out. They clearly told him to come in and then told him otherwise. It wasn’t clear overall. |
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I agree with Sprinkles (mark that one on the calendar Sprinkles!). I accept there was confusion and that it wasn't an intentional mistake, however -
- A rule was broken - Lewis did gain an advantage from breaking the rule - Previous violations have been penalised - The stewards have previously said previously that the result of an incident should not be taken into account when deciding a penalty (Someone causing an accident would not be punished more than someone who broke the same rule but was lucky enough not to cause an incident). So stewards point 3 regarding no danger to other competitors should not have been taken into account. I don't really support anyone in F1, and don't really have an opinion on Lewis (other than his current haircut), but the decision does seem pretty daft to me. I have a feeling that if Vettel had won and this argument had been over whether Lewis keeps second place or not, then he'd have been penalised. Also worth saying that none of it was the fault of Lewis. The team were not on the ball and Lewis should have been given specific instructions. "If Kimi pits, you do not pit. If Kimi doesn't pit, you pit". They were being reactive rather than proactive and gave Lewis multiple signals at a time when it was too late. It's not that hard and they put Lewis in a bad situation. |
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This is true, but you get what I mean. Practically it made no time difference between cutting the corner or not. The gain was not pitting.
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