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It's tempting to dive in to the detail of this but I would only loose the will to live and today has been quite good - so far - and I'm not going to spoil it.
I suggest that we leave the detail of what is going to change (for Race from 1 January 2007) until a properly presented launch - real soon now. But you might find it interesting to see some of the issues which were taken into consideration:
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I think it works just fine as it is, I knew the grading system when I started and Thought it was great, having something to aim for, I was well chuffed when I got my Course grade, And over the moon When I got My Incident grade, And now I'm working at getting My IO grade, As said, I'd always put an Incident Marshal with a Course Marshal/Trainee, The biggest part is it makes experience easy to identify,
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Interestingly, the Irish car marshals club scrapped their grading system (which was mostly the same as the UK but only had course/incident/flag and IO) totally last year and replaced it with a new model.
I don't have the details handy but from memory, it's based on a crew system that doesn't differentiate on the actual duties i.e. incident/flag etc. I can't remember the actual grades but it was something along the lines of crew member (course/flag) crew chief (IO) and crew trainer (Ob X). I'm sure someone can give a clearer picture - I'm not participating so I didn't really look into it too deeply. |
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There was something Mentioned At the Training day At Combe at the beginning of the year, They mentioned changing Observer to Post Chief!
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The Old Marshal who Is No Longer Able To Jump Over The Armco.
I aint no OAP and can still jump and run. Post Chief!--make me feel like a postman or maybe an indian..... Leave us OBS as we are |
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I seem to remember some time ago, when Bob Rae was National Grading Officer, a list of requirements for signatures for each Grade was published in the then quarterly Marshals National magazine.
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Correct me if i am wrong (everyone normally does) but don't IOs at Silverstone sign the upgrading cards for the incident team of the BRDCMC.
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I'm sure Chezza will be able to answer that one Darrell. On the subject of Observer, I too heard it was going to change to Post Chief.
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I agree, every team no matter where, needs a leader and that is the Observer (Post Chief) in motorsport.
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I'm interested in the "I'm the Obs so i'm in charge" personally i disagree.
On lots of occasions i have seen the obs first thing in the day to sign a sheet then not seen them all day, so how can that be in charge. there are even some posts i know of where the obs is on the opposite side of the track to the rest of us, so thats not really in charge either. The way i see it is that we are all a team, just with different duties. if the observer wants me to do something that i see and unreasonable or even dangerious (that has happened), then i'm in charge and i will refuse (and have done). I would not expect a obs to come and tell me how to to push a car or how to deal with an incident, same as i would not tell his how to report the incident. Granted i accept that while he is in contact with race control he may have a better picture of the thoughts of the clerk, like he may be planning on putting out the red flag, but there is ways to suggest a course of action and the reasons rather than the size 12 boot of the "i'm in charge" approach. |
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The observer is in charge of training - if I submit my upgrade card to him/her, I prefer comments when I get the card back at the end of the day. Sometimes it can be "Everything went well, keep it up". Sometimes it can be "instead of that, do this". Providing it's done in the way of constructive criticism (as is generally the case) instead of "I know best", then it's good for learning how to marshal properly - and it is the obs telling me how to deal with things. |
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I don't really care who's in charge (provided they know what they're doing) but I do think that someone has to be.
Team yes - but a team still has to be led. As for refusing to do something that you feel is unsafe, that's everyone's perogative and has no bearing on who's running the post. The way I've always understood the heirarchy (in the UK - and obviously assuming that there are enough personnel to perform all roles) is as follows: Observer - in charge of the post in general and communications with control - liases with the IO regarding incident management, deals with post administration (sign on sheets etc.) IO - in charge of incident management including managing set up of post (extinguishers etc.), deployment of available marshals, co-ordinating incident handling etc. Flags - would you believe...flagging! Course/Incident marshals - working under supervision of IO for incident management on the post. I don't actually see what the problem is with this? |
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