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16 Sep 2019, 10:55 (Ref:3928299) | #76 | |
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I had it recorded and it took me going back and forth a few times to figure it out.
From what I could tell, On lap 12 Jamie was the leader. He pitted just before the safety car and put in about 40L of fuel. Came out down the back somewhere, leader of those who had already pitted. Safety car came out and all those in front of Jamie pitted, S Mac put in around 90L of fuel, Jamie and the previously pitted cars passed them while they were in the pits as they stopped for a lot longer putting in 90L of fuel. That put jamie back into first and Lee 2nd, but both requiring a longer second stop. When he came up behind the safety car, he was the leader of the race. Lee was second. Whincups mistake was passing the safety car, Race controls was letting everyone else through after that.? |
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16 Sep 2019, 11:04 (Ref:3928302) | #77 | ||
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16 Sep 2019, 12:06 (Ref:3928311) | #78 | ||
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16 Sep 2019, 12:09 (Ref:3928313) | #79 | |||
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Unconvinced that Mr Whincup was entirely wrong, although his past history with Safety Cars probably clouds many views. What exactly is CAMS’ succession plan for Mr Schenken anyway? |
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16 Sep 2019, 12:22 (Ref:3928317) | #80 | ||
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Whincup shouldnt have passed, Roland even admitted that. But technically Whincup shouldnt have been stopped by the SC. His race was screwed from that point if he stayed behind the SC and he knew that.
But then the officials had zero conviction that they'd done the right thing and called all the cars through to pick up Whincup because Triple 8 complained. Which just exacerbated their stuff ups. Incredible really, surely heads roll for the complete sham? Most other sports would stand people down for such a stuff up. |
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16 Sep 2019, 12:52 (Ref:3928322) | #81 | |||
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By passing the safety car, Whincup was able to get passed McLaughlin and van Gisbergen etc, but Holdsworth and others were trapped. In the third of the lap the safety car had done, had any other cars been waved passed by the safety car? Did race control not look at the timing and see car 17 in first place? All the drivers could see race controls mistake, shame race control couldn't. |
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16 Sep 2019, 12:56 (Ref:3928323) | #82 | |||
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16 Sep 2019, 13:03 (Ref:3928325) | #83 | |||
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No other cars would have been waved through in that initial ⅓ of a lap done by the SC as all of them in front of 88 had pitted, allowing 88 to pass them and take back the lead of the race. 17 was in 1st place when the SC was called but lost 1st place when it pitted and 88 drove past the pit lane out on the race track. |
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16 Sep 2019, 13:54 (Ref:3928330) | #84 | ||
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No, the positions on the side of the screen showed Whincup in 13th or so when the SC was called, then after he passed it and crossed the control line while the other cars were still in the pits taking on a heap of fuel he suddenly popped up into 1st, while Holdsworth was still back in 14th behind the SC. McLaughlin etc got out of the pit ahead of the SC and joined the train in P2 onwards.
Race control letting Holdsworth etc past to go around would have put things back to how they were before the SC (ignoring Whincup), which is great except the first 12 cars have had a free pitstop with a big fuel load. Seeing as Reynolds car could have been left on track for the rest of the race if we were in the old days, race control's handling of the situation has had a big impact on the race result. If they had held the SC for another lap JW, LH and co would have gotten back to the lead, unless the pitting teams realised this and cut back on the fuel. On the other hand I'm not really comfortable with cars running at full speed under full course yellows. The whole system needs an overhaul from the ground up, including a clear distinction between retrieving a broken car and emergency response. |
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16 Sep 2019, 23:02 (Ref:3928425) | #85 | |||
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http://racing.natsoft.com.au/6438280...7.70Y/Chart?36 Look at car 5, was 14th before everyone stopped, 11th once everyone had stopped on Lap 14. Whincup was only in the lead on L14 because he passed the safety car and was able to get back to the start finish line and beat SM and SVG out of the pits. LH was doing 80 km/h behind the SC and never had a chance to get back and beat those guys out of the pits. What you said SHOULD have happened. JW and LH should have been in the lead without the poor deployment of the SC. Before the SC JW/ LH were about 55s behind of SM/SVG. The SC deployed into the gap between Those two groups. It slowed down LH/JW and allowed SVG/SM to get in and out of the pits without losing position. If LH had been the leader than getting waved around would put him almost a lap ahead. But it didn’t, his position didn’t change when we was waved around did it? When LH was first car behind the SC he was in 11th and almost a lap down on JW/SVG/SM. He was waved through to get the pack in order. JW muddied the waters slightly by passing the SC. Without this he would have restarted 10th, 1 spot in front of LH. JW passing the SC did not effect the way the SC deployed or the fact that SM/SVG got huge gains under the SC. |
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17 Sep 2019, 00:30 (Ref:3928430) | #86 | ||
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And if it isn't "fair" to deploy immediately, then it isn't "fair" to deploy later....there's always going to be someone getting shafted, but that's something that should come down to bad luck, not a conscious decision to help one party but not another. |
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17 Sep 2019, 02:31 (Ref:3928439) | #87 | |
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"Safety car" is just a misnomer - until something changes regarding drivers speeding around the track under SC conditions, it's laughable to suggest it's deployment is for "safety".
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And you are absolutely correct, drivers setting nigh on green sectors in their haste to either get to the pits or then catch the entertainment vehicle prove it isn't about safety. |
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17 Sep 2019, 03:11 (Ref:3928442) | #89 | |
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We can't tell from the broadcast when the physical SC car hit the track, and exactly when JW passes the SC can't be put into a race context because of that. |
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17 Sep 2019, 04:41 (Ref:3928451) | #91 | ||
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17 Sep 2019, 09:13 (Ref:3928481) | #92 | ||
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RD said it was the driver's choice.
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17 Sep 2019, 11:11 (Ref:3928505) | #93 | |||
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They did a terrible job of explaining this in the telecast, even after the race when they had the time |
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17 Sep 2019, 13:52 (Ref:3928525) | #94 | ||
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"While I knew I wasn’t the leader of the race, and despite my engineer confidently telling me over the radio to not get held up by the safety car, the lights in front of me were orange"
Yes JW is in control of his own destiny but you do have to also trust the people around you also. |
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I think they need to have more options to use, absolute focus on safety where necessary, but where urgent response is not needed a system to minimise interference with the race result. |
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17 Sep 2019, 15:43 (Ref:3928542) | #96 | |
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It’s a shame that had to happen. Hopefully it can be avoided in the future. It’s always best when it picks up the leader. Of course it’s harder with dangerous situations, but not all of them are, some aren’t even needed. The SC does some good, but needs it’s problems to be ironed out
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18 Sep 2019, 02:46 (Ref:3928609) | #97 | ||
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The issue is Drivers are incentivised to race back to the Safety Car, remove that and the problem goes away.
Code 60 anyone? |
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18 Sep 2019, 11:05 (Ref:3928666) | #99 | ||
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It is therefore, an opinion piece, which is less credible. |
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