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22 Mar 2014, 19:20 (Ref:3383087) | #76 | |
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The Prius just uses the engine to charge the battery when it has nothing better to do but to the best of my knowledge does not have any energy recovery function.
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22 Mar 2014, 19:31 (Ref:3383090) | #77 | |
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No it doesn't, you're right. But there are others such as Efficient Dynamics that do. Sorry I'm not sure how we got onto the Prius... don't think I introduced that.
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22 Mar 2014, 19:40 (Ref:3383092) | #78 | |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7NMZ9o9HNI
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22 Mar 2014, 19:54 (Ref:3383097) | #79 | |
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Not sure why F1 didn't go the whole hog and become electric. Silence and eco-friendliness. Its energy [pardon the pun] could be applied into finding more effective ways of charging batteries or something... at least there'd be something socially useful there. Maybe Formula E will become F1 ?
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Barmy Ecclestone is supposed to be F1's promotor, perhaps he should be doing some promotion all he seems to be doing at the moment is running it down, it's truly becoming reminiscent of Gerald Ratner. Controlling turbo speed by having a direct drive to a motor generator and limiting turbo speed by absorbing the surplus exhaust gas energy, then storing it for later use is genuinely interesting technology that I haven't seen outside of F1, if it is used anywhere else I'd be interested to know where, it certainly isn't a Prius which uses regenerative braking, a concept which probably predates the motor car. Perhaps you can find something similar at the clever end of the diesel truck market, there are some on here who would probably know that. |
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It WAS a place where Auto Union could show off their technical prowess, and where plucky little five mechanic Garagiste teams could use innovation to give Ferrari a run for their money. Even in the late '80's we had widely varying engine configurations as every team took their own approach to build a better mousetrap. Now, we have this little area where teams can innovate we get a small taste of what F1, pre-Bernie, was. As for the noise, I've always chosen seating in the braking zone of the longest straight of a track, because that's where the action is. A side benefit is that's usually the quietest part of the track. I've always thought the people who sat along the straight were casual fans. The cars are going too fast to really see, and the noise is too intense. Maybe less engine noise would be a turn off for those people. I would think to a gearhead, being able to hear some of the other noises the car makes, is more appealing. |
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I could not agree more with reference to Bernie Ecclestone, who is clearly a man on the move to another chapter in his life.. The health of a sport is not dependent on one person.. Max Mosley came and went and we still have F1 don't we... I will always watch it because its still about the best minds coming together to produce technologically wonderful racing cars... |
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22 Mar 2014, 22:11 (Ref:3383141) | #84 | ||
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Please welcome Paul to our forum everyone, he is rather knowledgeable when it comes to F1...
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Thanks Jeremy. I look forward to hoisting one [or a few] with you.
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23 Mar 2014, 09:55 (Ref:3383247) | #86 | ||
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I for one have been following the F1 closely from the early 90's (from about age 13) and have travelled the world to watch races (and experience the surrounding country(ies)). I've liked the sound of the V10's and V8's though have a tendancy to move around the circuit to experience the cornering, braking and acceleration. If on a straight I do wear ear plugs after the first few mins in the interest of preserving my hearing. Anyway, it will be interesting to hear the new engines, I just hope there is something unique and special about them. |
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23 Mar 2014, 11:00 (Ref:3383257) | #87 | |
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I think you are just plain wrong!
Show a little respect and relax! Last edited by wnut; 23 Mar 2014 at 11:07. |
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23 Mar 2014, 19:43 (Ref:3383385) | #88 | ||
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Going back to the noise subject, my lament isn't so much about the volume but the pitch. The soft wail of a high revving, normally aspirated, V12 racing engine is a joy to behold... particularly when experienced live. The music from a V10 or V8 isn't so bad either. Does it need to be a gazillion dB ? Of course not. But I do feel that one of the greatest attributes of Formula One in the flesh was it's ability to excite all of your senses - sight, sound, smell etc... and it would be a shame if that's a casualty of 'progress'. |
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23 Mar 2014, 22:06 (Ref:3383446) | #89 | ||
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This is all part of a grand plan to replace F1 with Formula E in the near future.
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WRT the sound, I'm curious why the FIA spec'd 90 degree V6. This is an odd fire design that is doomed to sound mediocre compared to a 60, 120 degree, or boxer engine. Did the engineers, who obviously care nothing about aesthetics, spec this for aero or cg reasons? Someone at the FIA best reign these guys in before the situation gets even more ridiculous than it already is. I'm afraid of what they'll come up with next. Paul |
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24 Mar 2014, 08:51 (Ref:3383544) | #91 | ||
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That all the engines would use the same pick up points that if a manufacturer droped out it would be easier for teams to change. The FIA wanted to concentrate development on the EARS systems rather than the actual engine. |
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24 Mar 2014, 21:43 (Ref:3383802) | #92 | ||
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Wasn't the idea behind the V6 structural? If they had used a 4 in line it would have needed a subframe or something?
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Yup, I4s to V8s in the original turbo era, and they were loud.
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In any event, Jean tells us now that the quiet engines aren't his fault after all, and he won't oppose a change to both noise levels and fuel consumption, his original demand for golf cart mode in the pitlane notwithstanding. All you have to do is get unanimity from the pitlane on the rule change. http://www.motorsport.com/#!/f1/news...fficient-todt/ Paul |
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I also don't like this snobbery we see online where casual fans are looked down upon. I've been engrossed in F1 for decades now but coverage and a busy life have forced me into a more casual role and I see nothing wrong with that. I'm still interested enough in the sport to watch it and take an interest in the engineering side of it. We also all start off as casual fans we need to remember. Whether you sit at the end of Hangar Straight and enjoy the downshifting or in the middle of Stowe, its really down to enjoyment, not superior or lack of knowledge. |
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considering the costs and difficulties/distance in attending a traditional race i would say the vast majority of people who go have more than a passing interest in the sport.
i agree with miatanut though that the best seats for me are also the ones in the breaking zones. in Montreal i am looking at the hairpin/entrance to casino straight and the end of the main straight into turn 1. those are also the ones that sell out first so i think most people in attendance feel the same way. by contrast races at the newer venues/non motorsports countries seem to focus on filling up the main grandstand while covering up the seats in the breaking zones which i think is telling. |
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If F1 is going to be as expensive as it is now, the casual fans are critical to making the numbers work. For me, that was the wrong direction to go. In the '60's and '70's it was a sport for gearheads, not entertainment, and there was all kinds of innovation going on. It truly was better when it was smaller. With Bernie, the gearheads lost and what passes for innovation now are flexi-wings and bits of tubing. I think that is sad. |
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