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13 Sep 2022, 22:23 (Ref:4126012) | #76 | ||
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Which always amuses me when we see posts about drivers complaining about the state of tyres in the heat of the race and how his reflects bad on a driver. I can only imagine all these people who are so sanguine when a problem hits them. Never ever thinking something that happens is unfair to them and also confident that they are so self aware that they know they are completely rational at all times. |
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Yes, but that doesn’t mean that they haven’t been hard done by he rules or application there of.
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I don't agree with putting the red flag out. Maybe we overeacted a bit to the race finishing under the SC. After all I'd prefer what happened at Monza than what happened at Abu Dhabi.
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The VSC is the fairest system when people can go onto the track. If it's too dangerous for them to do so, or the car is in an unrrecoverable part of the track without a vehicle, for me, a red flag followed by drivers resuming at the correct intervals is the only fair equivalent. At least it isn't a standing start. I don't really see the flaws.
People should be able to cope with a brief lull in proceedings, but perhaps it's considered that TV broadcasters don't want that. |
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VSC has been a great solution, means we don't have too many interruptions by the full SC
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While this may have the appearance of putting the cars out there back in the same order as right before the flag, surely the outcome is now vastly different as some cars will be at full race speed on hot tires with the back markers now being filtered back in on cold tires. That seems potentially even more dangerous no? And in late stages of the race you might not even have enough laps and time to release all the cars…so if the back markers don’t or can’t even go back out, then why bother releasing any back marker back in anyone’s way to begin with? Last edited by chillibowl; 18 Sep 2022 at 13:10. |
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Would be more concerned for those who have spent often several hundred dollars (at least) and their time just to attend and who I would imagine have fixed travel plans and times of return home. For me, priority should be given for their concerns and it would be better imo to send them home having seen a race run until the end under both green and entertaining conditions. Races that come down to the last few laps are a rare enough thing but when the possibility arises I do genuinely think race control has an obligation to (and yes even amend the rules on the fly) to facilitate this outcome. This may not sound like a sporting argument but if we are being honest, by this stage of a race at least 14 cars are not even close to contention. In a way it’s as if we are worrying more about handing out points and position for participation and calling it competition? I suppose this would be an easier argument to make if points were still only awarded to the top 6. |
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On a different note, though, Monza didn't deliver in terms of racing action in some respects. It's very stop-start and passed into tight chicanes don't set the pulse racing like some tracks do with wheel-to-wheel action through a corner. |
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I don’t think there is any right or fair answer here and what you say about Monza illustrates that some things just won’t work at some places and because I default to seeing entertainment prioritized, if not counting the outlap as a racing lap does that then I’m all for seeing it tried out. I would have to think FOM have run simulations trying out a whole whack of late race options. What have they learned I wonder? Could you imagine if it’s the way they do things is already the best way? |
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I would be amazed if it was.
Still, I should thank my lucky stars we have the VSC at least, as it doesn't erode a drivers' margin. Safety cars wouldn't be do bad if they didn't allow pit stops during them. What do you think? No more freebies. |
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Then he comes in and is held until the safety car train passes the pits....
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so for me adaptability of what procedure to use based on the situation and experience of the race director is really the only option...unfortunately the sport is still dealing with a huge hole left by the passing of Whiting and his replacements have yet to build up a body of work that would make it easier to understand why they are choosing to do what they do. i will say though that over the past few seasons, one of the more exciting elements of race restarts has been the level of aggressiveness Max is capable of applying. while his wheel to wheel tactics may not be enjoyed by all, his driving style (and the strategies his team backs him with) have led to epic races imo. so i would argue that at the sharp end the erasing of a lead because of a SC is not necessarily a freebie but rather another level to the competition and one that also happens to be hugely entertaining for me. Quote:
while i might dismiss the relevance of the back markers during a late race SC period, i do need to respect that they themselves are involved in their own important midfield battles and arguably the gaps those cars have earned over the course of the race are harder earned by virtue of those teams running with lower budgets/resources. thus i do have to acknowledge the inherent fairness of the VSC. that said, i do still struggle with the notion/possibility of races ending with everyone holding station. |
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