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The Honda and VW/Audi both use absolutely standard engines, available for a very reasonable circa $10,000 AUD for a complete brand new engine.
The suspension pickup points and type are the same as the road car. The doors, roof and bodyshell are all the same as the road car. They are far more touring cars than the Supercars series... Nobody claimed they were "production" racing cars. Note that the Group A Commodore did use the production gearbox either but rather a Holinger unit, substituting the gearbox is standard practice in a touring car. |
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I know that you don't believe that Supercars are touring cars anymore as you've said so many times, however the FIA and CAMS both rate Supercars as touring cars. |
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I find it a tad amusing that ‘fans’ would advocate the ATCC title being attributed to a series that doesn’t even use the name?
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I don't believe that either CAMS or the FIA classify Sports Sedans as touring cars so I don't see the point of your question? |
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CAMS certainly do.
3rd Category: Touring Cars - Group 3D: Sports Sedans https://www.cams.com.au/docs/default...vrsn=73f1206_2 |
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Some people here seem to think a "touring car" in context has to be production based but to me at least it means a car with a roof.
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Why would awarding the Gold Star to Formula Vee necessarily be a bad thing? CAMS aren’t issuing the title at the moment, but Formula Vee has been around for donkeys, provides great racing and still attracts plenty of competitors The main point is shouldn’t the ATCC be a name that is used by whomever has the title in their hands? What is the point of Supercars having it when they do not use or promote one of Australian racing’s most prestigious titles? Genuine question, does Scott McLaughlin even know he is the “Australian Touring Car Champion”? |
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Awarding Gold Star to F Vee would only make sense if F Ford, F3, S5000 didn't exist - the peak drivers award should be in the peak series, motor racing being a pyramid as it heads upwards. The main point is that the ATCC be awarded to the winner of the premier touring car competition in the country. What is the point of a series other than Supercars having it when that series is not the premier series and awarding the title to a lesser series denigrates one of Australian racing's most prestigious titles? Don't know Scott McLaughlin personally but given that he as twice been presented with the ATCC trophy and attended CAMS awards nights to receive it, I reckon that he knows. |
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Guess it’s as much about the body on top as the mechanicals when it comes to how the car is classified?
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If it was so prestigious, why don’t Supercars promote and use the name as the forefront? They obviously don’t see value in the name over their own brand, just in referencing statistics on the telecast. Who cares if it’s not the ‘peak’ series that has the title, at least the non-peak series might be using the name and giving it a sense of priority, which Supercars currently do not. |
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Nothing 2nd string about it - the winner of the main game is awarded the ATCC, as they should be.
It was and still is prestigious - hence the winner of the main game being awarded the ATCC. Awarding the ATCC to anything other than the peak series would be a complete joke and denigrate the history of the title - as it has always been about the peak touring car series in the country. Giving the title to the winner of a (currently) 2nd string series, regardless of whether that series used the ATCC name or not, would dishonour the memory of those who have previously been awarded the title. |
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There has been little news of drivers for 2020 - HMO have announced that negotiations are continuing.
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Good to see Morgan Park get the nod for QLD based round.
Should be a good circuit for the cars. |
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