ERC Lydden Hill 2009, what's the news?

[The Eye]

And the D1a list:
Olivier Bossard, David Johansson, Eduard Leganov, Jaroslav Kalný, Andy Martin, Mats Lysen, Ulrik Linnemann, Johan Larsson, Pavel Vimmer, Mandie August, Harrie Delen, Willem Veltman, Marcel Snoeijers, Davy Van Den Branden, Peter Vingerhoets, Thommy Tesdal, Julian Godfrey, Anders B Hansen, Ondrej Smetana, Jiri Galuska, Timur Timerzjanov, Ildar Rakhmatulin, Philip Rombouts, Hal Ridge, Dennis Remans.

[The Eye]

The D2 List:
Michaël De Keersmaecker, Jos Sterkens, Patrick Mertens, Viktor Muž�*k, Ivo Van den Brandt, Knut Ove Börseth, Josef Iro, Roman Castoral, Marcin Wicik.

[WJM]

Thank you The Eye. It looks like all the top drivers from 2008 will be there!

[schanche]

Beat me too it The EyE top marks! List is looking gooooood still chance for more in either Divisions as they remain open right up untill 9th April......

[The Eye]

Originally Posted by WJM

It looks like all the top drivers from 2008 will be there!

Yes, But I miss Bermingrud on the list. Don’t know if it’s he or his car that isn’t ready yet?

A question mark for Isachsen. The budget isn’t there yet but he is optimistic. Let’s hope both will be at the start line at Lydden.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by Audi S1

Any car which was once homologated for FIA events and still in line with current eligibility regs can compete even if the 4 years after homologated end date has pased, providing they get approval off their own countries ASN.

In our case this is the MSA. So all those with older Subaru's, Escort RS2000, Focus's etc can race as long as they comply with dash, weight, restrictor, cat etc etc.

This means the likes of grant, langley, mundy, gollop etc can race..... oh and providing they are happy to pay the £450 for an international license which you need.

I would guess that Bell, Graham, Proctor, Orr, Evans, Binks, Hill, L,Doran, P.Doran will all definately be there.

Hope this helps.

As I cannot find back your info in the current FIA rules here (page 6, 4. ELIGIBLE VEHICLES):

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/D8DFC6B1F58BCC3BC1257543003EE37E/$FILE/REGS%20RALLYCROSS%202009.pdf

nor here:

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/4DF65BBBA7ABFC2CC12574FF0053C71C/$FILE/279%20(2009)-15112008.pdf

would you please be so kind to let me know where this info was published.


Apropos: I cannot find a car not covered under the current FIA rules in the entry list yet. But please correct me, if I’m wrong.

[The Eye]

György Fodor has by far the oldest car in the field. A Toyota Carina. How can he drive ERC but not Jobb??

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by The Eye

György Fodor has by far the oldest car in the field. A Toyota Carina. How can he drive ERC but not Jobb??

A5465 Toyota Carina E (ST191), homologated from 01.01.1993 till 31.12.2005, plus 4 years = 31.12.2009.

A5450 Ford Escort RS2000 Mk3, homologated from 01.01.1992 till 31.12.2004, plus 4 years = 31.12.2008.

[mivec]

Originally Posted by rx-guru

As I
Apropos: I cannot find a car not covered under the current FIA rules in the entry list yet. But please correct me, if I’m wrong.

The Mitsubishi Colt is not homologated.

But it can drive:

Cars not homologated with the FIA but produced in series and
regularly on sale in the EEC through a recognised commercial
network are also eligible.
These models will feature on a list drawn up by the FIA.
It will be up to the applicant to supply the elements necessary for
proving the eligibility of a model.
The application will be submitted to the FIA for approval through

the applicant’s ASN.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by mivec

The Mitsubishi Colt is not homologated.

But it can drive:

Cars not homologated with the FIA but produced in series and
regularly on sale in the EEC through a recognised commercial
network are also eligible.
These models will feature on a list drawn up by the FIA.
It will be up to the applicant to supply the elements necessary for
proving the eligibility of a model.
The application will be submitted to the FIA for approval through

the applicant’s ASN.

I guess what you are talking about is this list here, as the wording is the same:
Please copy&paste: http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/CFCC5ABE4B254FCDC1257471003A0B88/$FILE/Art_279_VoituresAdmissibles.pdf

These rules were introduced to legalise Kenneth Hansen’s Citroën C4 for the year 2006, thus before the C4 was homologated for rallying by the factory with the FIA for 2007. The current list encloses the new Saab 9-3 version used by Per Eklund, the Hyundai i30 that is due to be built by Thomas Rådström, the 2008 �*koda Fabia Mk2 of Michael Jernberg and the Mazda RX-8 currently under construction by German Peter Triebe for D2 (RWD vehicles). Sorry, but no other cars mentioned in the current list, published on 23.06.2008.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by mivec

The Mitsubishi Colt is not homologated.

But it can drive:

Who has a Mitsubishi Colt for int. RX?

I don’t know yet, but maybe the homologation papers of the Proton Satria 1.3 GLi (eligible for int. RX under the +4 years rule till 31.12.2011) can be used for a Mitsubishi Colt as well…?

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...ia#post2275612

[WJM]

Ivo Van Den Brandt will use a new Colt in RX-Cup.
The Mazda RX-8, is that the car that went to Sepp Strobl in Austria? I wonder how competitive that car can or will be in RX-Cup.

[Barrie]

Originally Posted by The Eye

György Fodor has by far the oldest car in the field. A Toyota Carina. How can he drive ERC but not Jobb??

Think Jobbs car has an illegal floor pan anyway,rear wing not legal either I d have thought.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by WJM

Ivo Van Den Brandt will use a new Colt in RX-Cup.
The Mazda RX-8, is that the car that went to Sepp Strobl in Austria? I wonder how competitive that car can or will be in RX-Cup.

As in the latest homologation list of 26.03.2009 there is no Mitsubishi Colt, but since 01.08.2008 there is a 'Proton Satria Neo' homologated, I wonder if this could be the link…? If not, perhaps he is trying to get the Colt included in the above mentioned list of cars "not homologated with FIA but eligible in D1/D2" as soon as possible…?

The red RX-8 (see here: http://www.mazda-motorsport.de/rx-8_rote_zora.html) used by Triebe for a RX test in 2008 went to Austria (see here: http://www.ms-insider.com/Forum/view...4&t=181&p=1256) and Triebe announced some time ago that he would build a new one for himself. As there is talks about 300+bhp a RX-8 (with the right driver of course…) could be quite competitive I guess. However, I still wonder how much it must weight (due to the engine capacity rules for rotary engines) and how much it could weight (as the road going version is a pretty heavy beast)…

BTW, this is taken from the ERC24 news 1156:
“I spent a long time this winter studying different cars and I really wanted to build a Mazda RX8 but I can’t get any official clarification from the FIA regarding engine capacity so I’ve scrapped that idea now and I’m looking at suitable cars again. If we can get out and race this year it’d be great, but I want the best possible car and equipment, we learned a lot last year and I’m putting that knowledge to good use now,” said [Kevin] Tohill.

[WJM]

Originally Posted by rx-guru

As in the latest homologation list of 26.03.2009 there is no Mitsubishi Colt, but since 01.08.2008 there is a 'Proton Satria Neo' homologated, I wonder if this could be the link…? If not, perhaps he is trying to get the Colt included in the above mentioned list of cars "not homologated with FIA but eligible in D1/D2" as soon as possible…?

The Proton Satria Neo is whole new car developed inhouse by Proton. It's the same car as the S2000 rally version that drove in the WRC in Ireland. It's definately different from the New Colt.
The list of eligible rallycross vehicles has not been updated since 23-6-08, so maybe there have been some additions since.

The red RX-8 ....

Thanks. The equivalency formula for Rotary engines can be found at Article 252-3.2 of the FIA regulations:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/3A6AC3ED6E599111C12574FF00514FF7/$FILE/252%20(2009)-15112008.pdf
This does not make me any the wiser....

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by WJM

The Proton Satria Neo is whole new car developed inhouse by Proton. It's the same car as the S2000 rally version that drove in the WRC in Ireland. It's definately different from the New Colt.
The list of eligible rallycross vehicles has not been updated since 23-6-08, so maybe there have been some additions since.


Thanks. The equivalency formula for Rotary engines can be found at Article 252-3.2 of the FIA regulations:
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/3A6AC3ED6E599111C12574FF00514FF7/$FILE/252%20(2009)-15112008.pdf
This does not make me any the wiser....

Maybe there were additions to the list since June 2008, but they are not yet published on the FIA website.

I did know the FIA info on rotary engines, but as you say they do not make any wiser. And as the equivalency formula differs (1.0 or 1.5 or 2.0) in some countries or series I’m somewhat mixed-up anyway. And it seems that Kevin Tohill’s investigation try with FIA did not bear fruit either…

[rallyxdamo]

Originally Posted by rx-guru

Maybe there were additions to the list since June 2008, but they are not yet published on the FIA website.

I did know the FIA info on rotary engines, but as you say they do not make any wiser. And as the equivalency formula differs (1.0 or 1.5 or 2.0) in some countries or series I’m somewhat mixed-up anyway. And it seems that Kevin Tohill’s investigation try with FIA did not bear fruit either…

It's Derek Tohill, not Kevin. not that it matters really.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by rallyxdamo

It's Derek Tohill, not Kevin. not that it matters really.

Ooooops, that was twice a mix-up with my ol’ friend Kevin Twomey seemingly…

Sorry, but I’m usually not this kind of sloppy with names!

[rallyxdamo]

Originally Posted by rx-guru

Ooooops, that was twice a mix-up with my ol’ friend Kevin Twomey seemingly…

Sorry, but I’m usually not this kind of sloppy with names!

Only having a laugh. It's very rare your wrong. Sorry for catching you out in public.

[rx-guru]

Nobody is perfect – innit…?
I will survive!

[1975DCS]

For anyone interested, I could bring the following to Lydden, which I have for sale:
- 2x DVD ERC 2006
- 1x DVD ERC 2005
- 1x DVD Ron Snoeck 2004
- 1x DVD Racing with Per Eklund (including Pikes Peak)
- 1x VHS Too fast to race (group B era)
Asking price 55,00 euro or 55,00 pound

[pgrogan]

hi guys,

does anyone know if murray walkers scrap book will be on sale at lydden as i would love to get one signed but am struggling to find one in a shop.

also does anyone know if the european rallycross books as reviewed on erc24 will be forsale there?

many thanks

[pgrogan]

Originally Posted by irl06

hi guys,

does anyone know if murray walkers scrap book will be on sale at lydden as i would love to get one signed but am struggling to find one in a shop.

also does anyone know if the european rallycross books as reviewed on erc24 will be forsale there?

many thanks

Scrap the bit about the erc book! its for sale on the erc24 shop... brilliant looking book.. cant wait to get a read of it!

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by irl06

does anyone know if murray walkers scrap book will be on sale at lydden as i would love to get one signed but am struggling to find one in a shop.

I'm assuming you'll be able to buy them at Lydden - Murray has been quoted as saying he'll be signing copies of his book at Lydden so it'd make sense for people to be able to buy it there.

[pgrogan]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

I'm assuming you'll be able to buy them at Lydden - Murray has been quoted as saying he'll be signing copies of his book at Lydden so it'd make sense for people to be able to buy it there.

thanks bert. hopefully he will but if anyone close to the lydden organisers could confirm as i would really love to have a signed copy of the book to put beside my erc review book that is now in the post!!!