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i thought the race was good and exciting but everytime the cars came down pit row it lost a bit of excitement with out the tyre change
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I might be in a minority here, but I think qually is better now. I mean, look what a mixed grid we had, you just wouldn't get that with the old qually. I like the new rules, although I'm still unsure what classes as an engine change.
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I think it was only the freak weather conditions that has made it look silly. That, although less likely, could happen under any qualifying system. Just imagine if it was the old system and everyone had gone out on track when Fisi did. There would have be chaos when half of them got caught still out on track on dry's when the downpour arrived. |
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That race needed more than a mixed grid to be exciting anyway. Imagine what Malaysia could be like if a lot of teams have engine problems, or tyre problems as the track is more demanding on those. BAR could've cheated their way into an advantageous position, which is frustrating. They can't really make wholesale changes to the rule sthis year, but a few things can be tidied up - one set of tyres for practice and qualifying, and then another for the race, is an idea. I'm dreading the 6-race engines for 2006 above all though. |
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If the teams are competitive it doesnt matter what the starting order would be....imagine in a normal qually session we'd have had the Macs,Ferrari and the Renaults all in front and fighting for a win...that surely wouldve produced good racing...It just depends on the level of competition between the teams....
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They haven't cheated. Anyway, in Bahrain they'll be on the second race with their engines, while the others have a new one. |
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Technically they haven't cheated, but they've acted outside the spirit of the rules. Toyota, Sauber, Minardi and Jordan all had this opportunity, yet it's BAR who've chosen to test the waters first. As for Bahrain, that assumes that they score points in Malaysia and don't pull the same stunt again. At such an early stage in the season, with Malaysia being traditionally such a hot and reliability-tough race, this could be a big benefit.
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You can't have it both ways.
On one hand you say it could be a big benefit - on the other you're thinking of them not scoring points and doing it again. Whatever the whys and wherefores, if you're going to score points regularly, you'll need an engine which lasts two races. |
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BAR are so off the pace I doubt it will matter anyways.
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Reading that suggestion of Haug, of fresh engine for qualy and the race with that engine then used in practice the next weekend, it has the potential of an excellent compromise. However, were there to be a failure ofthe old engine in that practice, do they have to sit out the rest of practice and thus get no new uengine until qualy? If so, it would seem to the defeat the big potential benefit (a lot more running in practice).
So, were it to be done that if you had an engine failure in practice then the team could, if they wanted to, replace the engine with their new one (that would then have to last the qual, race and next w/e practice) and use it in said practice without penalty, then we would have a working situation. They would need to not take part in the same session as the engien failure, in order to keep things consistent with the past. It could work out nicely. Last edited by Dutton; 7 Mar 2005 at 21:52. |
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I like that,and if it were tied in with 12 lap qually on new tyres and the race also with new tyres it would be great.
The idea of using a seperate set of tyres for qually is that if they had to use that set in the race they wouldn't push them hard(like now).The teams also have the option of using a soft tyre to get pole but not be optimal for the race or go for a conservative qually with a harder tyre. Last edited by Marbot; 8 Mar 2005 at 02:20. |
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Haug's idea takes them straight back to using two engines and "increased costs".
Michael Schumacher already went through more engines at the Australian Grand Prix in 2005 than he did in 2004. So much for containing costs. |
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Similarly, who could forsee that teams would deliberately retire cars in order to gain a fresh engine for the next race? I've not seen it mentioned until after the finish of the race, when BAR trundled into the pits before the flag. |
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The problem with the new tyre rule is that it made the aerodynamics even more important. The proportion between aerodyamical grip and mechanical grip has moved to aerodynamical grip.
In fact, the FIA made the same mistake as in 1998. It just made overtaking more difficult. A controlled tyre, which is argued by some forum members, would have the same effect. So, a controlled tyre won't improve racing. Last edited by Pingguest; 8 Mar 2005 at 10:09. |
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Pingguest, you speaketh the truth!
I don't understand why people can't see this is the problem with modern F1. The tyre war was good for racing as it made the tyres far softer and stickier. A control tyre (or the current tyre situation) wouldn't necesarily be bad for racing if it was twinned with a massive reduction in downforce, say reduced by 70%. Other measures that would improve the racing: Heavier cars (say plus 100Kgs) Less effective brakes. Wider rear tyres. Last edited by Sodemo; 8 Mar 2005 at 11:20. |
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Loads of people thought this would happen ST - look over the previous threads to see the idea mentioned. The only people who were too stupid or naive to see it coming were the FIA and yourself.
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Time for F1 to take a good look at itself?
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Well no beating around the bush there then...He is right
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spot on I agree. We need to get rid of the dictatorship and Ferrari favouring political infighting and let people with leadership and vision who are not worried about how much money they can stuff into their pockets run a democratic and unified formula 1 into the future.
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