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Car looks fabulous, a shame about it's origins
FT5000 and Super5000 have no hope of getting up in any fashion unless there is a merger or Lambden gives in. FT5000 or Super5000 would only help F4, not hinder it. Infact i think F4 only remains viable in the long-term if there is a proper open-wheel series above it. |
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So the engine will cost half that of the total car? Interesting. Will need dedicated engine technicians to run those donks at each round as well. Interesting decision to run those instead of what is readily available and able to achieve the same power for less than half the cost and no need for dedicated track support.
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Literally the only similarities between both the F5000 remakes and Formula 4 is that they are open wheel cars with wings and slicks and that they might both end up on the Supercars support bill.
Other then that, there is a considerable difference in power and speed, they will serve completely different purposes in the Australian motorsport scene and will be aimed at a different group of drivers. Formula 3 on the other hand is in a lot more trouble if this gets off the ground, since CAMS has got no reason to keep it running and it has struggled to get remotely good grids for years now. |
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On top of that, sourcing the parts to maintain a supercar engine is significantly more than the road donk, and easy enough to do self maintenance with the road engines. |
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Also I put money on it costing closer to 400k in reality. Carbon tub, drive train capable of handling supercar torque, full motec electronics and the supercars engine cannot be done for 300k.
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V8 Supercars cant be going too badly if they are now owners of Superutes, Supercars, Super2, and now Super5000. They just have to be careful now it doesn't lead to problems and get ahead of themselves, if they were struggling though like some say they wouldn't be running utes and 5000
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Yes, Payce are funding it and Supercars just owns the IP and the management rights.
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*looks at Super5000 car*
.............Seriously? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdEQmpVIE4A If I want to see old-school looking cars, there's the historic racing. I'd rather see the FT5000 car than this - preferably with an airbox designed for efficiency instead of one designed solely to be a throwback. I want to see a MODERN incarnation of Formula 5000, not a throwback. So while I'd still like to see them both work(hey, I may not prefer it but any new form of racing is ultimately fine by me if they can make it work), if I had to make a chose, I'd support FT5000. And don't give me the "low drag/downforce" excuse for the Super5000 car; Modern aero can do that just as well, probably better. Unless they want the series to be Australia's equivalent to IndyCar, which I'm not sure anyone can make happen, I think any modern F5000 series needs to run a stock block engine to be viable. |
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This car for example is very heavy for an open wheeler at 850kg as quoted in the article but maybe that's fully fuelled and with a driver? The FT5000 was quoted as 670kg or thereabouts I think, which is kinda where you'd expect a stock block 5.0 litre open wheeler to be weight wise. According to the Fox sports article, the Super5000 project dates back to 2015 so maybe it was a case of different people having a similar idea at a similar time but the way it has all unfolded has been a great shame but I guess not the first and probably not the last time that similar ideas have been mooted at the same time in motorsport. For sure, this car looks far more retro than the other car. Whether either series can get off the ground remains to be seen. |
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I really hope this doesn't devolve into a CART v Indycar like war that'll destroy both categories
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Designing an open wheeler around parts from the Supercars is surely practical/modular/etc. but it seems they have really hamstrung the car itself and what it could have been
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I suspect that the question of who came up with the idea first will probably just end up in a "he said, she said" scenario with nothing definitive. It is interesting that Mr Lambden was on the V8 Commission and that the FT5000 was his next project - wonder if there was some discussion about it back then and the two parties headed off in their different directions? |
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3 Jun 2017, 05:40 (Ref:3738265) | #93 | ||
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Does Lola get any royalties from this Super5000 concept ?
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Australian open-wheel racing as a local spectacle has been dead since 1979, it was an uphill battle to get one going, there will be no war if there is two categories trying to start-up, there will just be nothing that ever happened on either side. The Ute concept has nothing in common with what the Supercar CotF was all about |
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Whether it's suboptimal to have the gearset in front of the diff, rather than behind the diff like a normal formula car transaxle, is another thing. But Porsche 911s corner beautifully for having the entire engine in the wrong place, so I am sure Supashock will have designed around that and setup the f:r balance of the S5000 properly. Personally I think the Judd V10 LMP1 (or the standard Zytek 3.5 V8 Formula 3000 engine) should be the engine of choice for either series for a techy, exotic sound but I can also see the appeal of an American style V8. Those bemoaning engine costs seem to ignore that Dunlop and Kumho series runners have no complaints about the cost and mileage of the Supercars specification motors. I agree the Coyote is more rational when speccing low running capital costs, but motorsport is not rational. Any motor is a vast improvement on the trusty Holden Buick V6 of Formula Holden which sounds, frankly, like a wet fart! Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 3 Jun 2017 at 08:01. |
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Couple of questions for those who may be in the know.......
Who's gonna be driving them? Existing Supercar drivers? That would make an interesting sideshow. How come, yet again, there's going to be an Australia only category, if indeed it actually happens? With the multitude of open wheel categories across the planet, why do we feel the need, here in Aus to have our own class of cars that cannot race anywhere else in the world? |
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A carbon tub, despite being "so exotic" is just a kevlar honeycomb carbon-fibre sandwich... It's not impossible, certainly something us 'strayans can do. There are ways to do it cheaper, such as just a "flat pack" approach, cutting v-notches and folding it into shape and inserting carbon tubes along the folds instead of using a mould. |
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Cool then they could be sold at IKEA complete with an allen key and an instruction book. Should be a lot less than $ 300,000.
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