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I think we both know one side was doing far more of the slinging in the 'ancient war', they even used our most famous event as the bargaining chip, yet these days had adopted the history of the race that apparently treated them so badly What has Supercars ever done to benefit other categories that didn't as a by-product benefit themselves (ie....have they done anything for categories not on their support bill?) If those involved at Supercars over the last 20 years had any passion for Aussie motor racing as a whole, outside of their own bubble, then they did a great job of hiding it. |
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The one thing that sticks in my memory of Supercars 'having a go' was their running a compulsory test session that from memory clashed with the Bathurst 12 hour, thus robbing the 12 hour of the drawcard V8 drivers who take part.
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Slightly similar, wasn't there an intention for drivers to compete in NZv8's that was squashed or something about 6 years ago?
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TCR & Adelaide is interesting, Supercars has not "taken aim" at TCR, has not rubbished the product etc and from statements made by both organisations, is open to having TCR run at Supercar events. Adelaide (supposed) veto (not confirmed by anyone directly involved yet I think) could simply be that the preferred events for TCR in Supercars view are elsewhere. Quote:
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Roger didn't need such a thing to slant things in his favour.
It's a ridiculous idea. Look at the composition of the board. |
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The Adelaide binning of TCR is a slam dunk Supercars veto, to try and hide from that doesn’t reflect well on anyone. V8SA and Adelaide have a bit of a history when it comes to trying to muzzle other motorsport categories who are trying to support Australian Motorsport. Remember V8SA trying to pull the AVE/SBS cameras from filming procar races in Adelaide in 2002? Or V8SA trying to cancel Procars press conference to announce the Bathurst 24 hour? Add in V8SA blocking drivers from taking part in NZ V8s, 2015 B12 HR and attempting to block drivers in TCR this season, it paints dirty history of an organisation that has no concern for the damage it causes to Australian Motorsport in its quest for self gain |
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Supercars never blocked anybody from NZV8s, individual teams did. Given some of the crashes over there I am not l totally surprised that well paid drivers might have to abide their contract and not take on another dangerous activity. There are some fast and wild tracks over there and safety isn't what it is on home soil.
Can you tell us which driver Supercars blocked from racing in TCR? Either way, if you are on salary with Shell, you are going to have a contract that says you may not go and work for Mobil at the same time. Some may even have a gardening clause, although I think these are viewed as a restraint of trade and unenforceable. It is plain as day that a driver contracted to one team or brand is going to need permission to do racing outside of that contract, and not everybody wants to give that permission. It is just pertinent. How do you explain to you sponsor that you lost your star driver for the year because you let him go race overseas? |
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Reading all this brings back memories of the Procar forums. Shame they no longer exist. They were a good record of the Procar era.
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Yep, easy for someone to ask for a "record" (particularly when social media as we know didn't exist at the time, but many of us were around then to remember). Even the posts on here from the Procar owner seem to have disappeared - although some of the threads are still findable in search.
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Interesting that the architect of the last media deal & one time V8 el supremo James Warburton has gone back to 7 - what does that mean, if anything for the ownership of the Supercar business ?
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Given the problems at 7, we need to understand Warburtons riding instructions, Worner was shown the door unable to perform for Kerry Stokes & his boys, specifically Ryan.
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Archer Capital would be across the withdrawal by Mercedes (2017) from the DTM:
With DTM facing support from Audi alone, its being suggested that 'the series must devise an all-new formula that is both old-school and not heavily dependent on manufacturers'. https://www.motorsport.com/dtm/news/...inion/4785660/ GTE may be involved as a stepping stone to the new rules being evolved. https://www.motorsport.com/dtm/news/...vival/4787387/ Germany's biggest national series adopting global sportscar regulations is in fact nothing new. The DTM’s spiritual predecessor, the Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (DRM), which folded after 1985, ran with both Group 5 and Group C cars. To me Archer are facing a very big write off unless they can keep Supercars relevant. Last edited by cavvy; 2 May 2020 at 11:34. Reason: Missed point |
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We can't entertain Supercars being too expensive, and in the same breath mention GTE as a placeholder. GT3 is already considered by some as not the path to take; a GTE car is significantly more expensive to purchase and operate.
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The ATCC is a title that CAMS give to the winner of an appointed category, and at the moment it goes to the Supercars champion. If Supercars falls over, CAMS wouldn't (or shouldn't) try to rescue it. CAMS would either choose a different category to award it to, or simply not award it. |
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Meanwhile Supercars chairman Peter Wiggs is busying himself trying to rescue Rugby Union from a "$120m abyss", at a time when it has no broadcast partner. It was noted in the Rugby press that the continuing slide in the value of Supercars raises questions about his ability to pull it back from the brink. He is joined on the Rugby board by former Virgin boss Brett Godfrey.
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