My Tracks Raceway 4

[Alwaysfirst]

I was also thinking of it being clockwise. To be honest Istanbul has shown that is is quite safe to have very fast multi-apex corners by building T8-almost everybodys favourite corner on the track! Althou it may still be a bit too early for this I have done an edit with the slightly tighter T4 that somebody (martin?) suggested & I ahve included elevation (a very crude attempt) to try & show just what I am imagining.



Although it is a very crude attempt I feel that it brings the track to life that little bit more. Obviously the darker the colour the higher the elevation. I have also included some grandstands, again to try & put across what I was thinking with the circuit. I feel that T4 is now shown to be a challenging uphill corner that also provides an overtaking oppertunity. The 1st multi-apex corner is also more impressive as it is shown to be a very fast, steeply downhill corner that give great view to the grandstands at the bottom of the hill before the cars climb the hill again. The chicane is actually my favourite corner on the whole circuit & the reason for this (the elevation) is now a lot clearer. I hope that you can all now see just what I was trying to achieve!

[Lustigson]

A very nice attempt, AF. Great.

However, there's a number of things I'd still change to the track. Just think of current-day F1 cars racing on the track and then try counting the overtaking opportunities. T4 might be one and the chicane probably will, but then there's only the entry of the south-west corner but that's it.

I would add at least one trough tightening the first and last corner, thus creating a straight that has a slow aproach and a slow exit, which would enable the cars to slipstream quite easily across start-finish.

[Lustigson]

Oh, and by the way, you forgot run-off at the hairpin...

[shambles]

I would include Lustigson's first corner as well...

PAUL

[shambles]

However much I love the Parabolica style turn, to promote overtaking I think that the first turn by Lustigson - or something similar would work.

PAUL

[Alwaysfirst]

OK. I will try to create something along those lines, though I would have to disagree with lustig about slow starts & ends to straights making for good overtaking. If that is the case then why is Bahrain only average for overtaking while Silverstone is one of the best? However I may be tempted to add a little more elevation change at the end of the main straight! I didn't add any run-off at the hairpin because I was imagining it to be like the Karoussell but on second thaughts although it is banked, for modern cars I think at least some run-off is needed. I'll give it a go!

[shambles]

Something Like;



I also re-added the chicane on the west side of the circuit, after the first multi-apexer, I envisage it like the Corkscrew at Laguna.

PAUL

[Mike_Wooshy]

here is my edit
http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/7539/v8qf0kn.png
but also there is this 1 taking into account the corkscrew ....
http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/8258/v8qfe6ft.png

[Alwaysfirst]

What about this one? Spent a little longer on it!

[shambles]

Nice AF ... what do you reckon to my corkscrew corner?

PAUL

[Alwaysfirst]

I think that it's ok. I prefer the tighter entry of yours over mine, especially as that slightly longer braking zone would aid overtaking. The main problem with that though is that it then giver a rather messy exit-the bit of mine that I prefer! For tight corners I always like them more if the exit is (to sound really sad) a slow release for the driver from having to control his right foot-ie. he can't just floor the thing, with the best examples of this being Tarzan at Zandvoort, Druids at Brands & Parabolique at Dijon (all some of my favourite slow corners). As usual I think that a comprimise is the best way. A slightly tighter entry (like yours) and a slightly looser exit (like mine). Am pleased that we are finally down to the details though rather than still trying to decide on the general shape!

[Alwaysfirst]

I have done an edit with the changes to the chicane. It is now tighter with a slightly looser exit. Hope you like it!



& here's a version without all of the elevation

[shambles]

Yeah I like that mate looks nice.

PAUL

[shambles]

Although one point, if I may - but I think the first corner, should be squarer? But I'd like to get the opinion of a few other designers on it?

PAUL

[the_royksopp]

Alright, i've got two issues left.

• Turn 1 - as many others have said, the parabolica doesn't really fit in there. I don't really like AF's last proposal either, i'll cook up something in a minute.
• The Corkscrew - i don't like the tightening as proposed by martin - the original one was by far the better, as it was more an esse, and less a chicane.

As i said, i'll cook up something.

[shambles]

I reckon the Corkscrew would be great, if we have the kind of gradient, in build-up, undertaking and exit as the corkscrew at Laguna. It makes perfect sense, out of the multi-apex corner, build up the speed, latch down, and pull it round the left hander at the exit building up speed down the straight into the second multi-apexer.

I like the turn 1 on Wooshy's design.

PAUL

[the_royksopp]

Ok, here it is.

I extended the Start/Finish straight and tightened T1.

[Alwaysfirst]

Like I said earlier I'm not too bothered by the chicane as I think that as long as the elevation is there then both versions are just as good. t_r-I think that while the tightness of the apex of your corner may be fine the rest of the corner just doesn't flow into the next hairpin. I think if that 2nd part of the corner were smoothed out slightly then it would be fine. I just think that if 2 drivers came around that corner side by side one of them would have to back off, whereas if it was smoothed out slightly then the move could be extended to the hairpin & possibly even further. I'll do an edit later.

ps. Happy Christmas all!!

[Alwaysfirst]

That didn't take long!! I've just tightened the 1st corner. I've also used the version with the looser chicane but that can be changed very quickly if needs be.

[the_royksopp]

I'd say that could be a fair go at a final track - what's the general opinion?

I can see nothing i'd change.

[Chaynes321]

HI , long time since i posted here, like this project ...

heres my hack ...

1: Basic ...

2: Semi Detailed ...

[Alwaysfirst]

As a track on its' own I think it's ok but as an edit of this track I think that it is just too much too late, especially as we are so nearly at a consensus about the final track & have a limited amount of time to do the final track before the 10,000th post. No offence ment. I'll be happy to change my mind if the others think differently but in my mind I think that we should just stick with what we've got.

[shambles]

Me too in all fairness. Nice track CG... it's lovely, but i'd like to get a general opinion on what we should do. I'd tend to agree with A_F, because we have a consensus.

Maybe we could, include both chicanes? So it's really a maximum option section of the circuit?

PAUL

[the_royksopp]

Toothless if you ask me.

Martin - which chicanes - other than the corkscrew ofcourse.

[Alwaysfirst]

By the way...who will be doing the detailed version of the track when we decide which version of the track to use.