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But then again some Human Resource head chopper could come into your employer and say, " We can cut your staff and increase your production output and save you lots of money. and 5 ppl are made redundant." If you can make a compatible product that will do the same safety requirements of £50 or £100, and get FIA approved, go for it It took the ppl at HANS 20 years of development time to get where they are now. Inexpensive and motor racing can not be used in the same sentence. |
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During that 20 years of development, they were selling product, so the development costs should be amortised over those 20 years. The fact they are still more expensive that helmets which have to undergo just as many safety tests (more?) and cost more to make is what annoys me. |
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Hmmm I think I learnt this verb at school:
I am properly paid for all the hard work I do You earn too much He is ripping me off Just to let you know, it ain't the retailers who are making lots of money on HANSes. |
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He only rips you off if You allow him too. If you dont like the price of something go elsewhere. If the prices are all about the same, that's the way it is. Time to look for another job to pay you more money then |
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Max, didn't you book your trip to Hawaii from the Hans earnings, just like I did?
2 seconds of looking at Hawaii leaflets. |
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What prices have you found on HANS units? Most of the prices here are +/- $10-$15 so there is a difference. |
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If these things are ever made compulsory,I dread to think of how many people will drop out of racing,especialy after the discussion on rain lights!. It is a dangerous sport gentlemen,it comes with risk,do we all need a huge amount of cottonwool to wrap ourselves in? Will HANS be usable in historic single seaters?.
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Heck driving on the Highways at rush hours is more dangerous the car racing
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Just so you know, I am properly paid for the work I do I don't care how much anyone else earns I haven't bought a Hans so haven't been ripped off (although I could afford one) |
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Hans New helmet with Hans posts New seat (probably) New belts. So that's about £1500 ($2200ish). About the value of my entire race car (sans engine perhaps) James |
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Currently we are at liberty to decide. Fair enough, if you don't want to use one don't.
If you do want to use one this is also fine. As to costs. I guess it depends whether £1500.00 represents a month's or a day's wages. In my case I know how much I'd lose if I don't work for a day!. |
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I chose to buy a HANS in March of 05. Have used it ever since and do NOT regret it. |
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Well Al, it's slowly happening. HANS used to be, what, £650? Next year the thermoplastic one will be about £400.
Price is steadily coming down. If as Graeme says they will be listed in the Blue Book in a "year or two", by that time the price will have fallen again, and by the time it's made compulsory it will have fallen even further. It'll take time, as more drivers buy them the price will come down. And all more modern seats/belts are/will be made to suit them so natural wastage will take care of that. I reckon this glass could be half full! PS ISTR that I asked why they couldn't be plastic and everyone roundly told me not to be an idiot only carbon was good enough....hmmm, when was thermoplastic a carbon material? Last edited by midgetman; 11 Nov 2008 at 07:47. |
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When I got HANS I needed a new helmet anyway. My 3" belts were fine (normal Willans 3", nothing special and not ordered with HANS in mind originally). The seat bit I'll give you I suppose, but I didn't need to adjust anything on my single seater. Can a normal seat not be used with HANS? |
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It was basically an example for doing it all in one go. Spreading the load over a few seasons woudl be generally acceptable (If I didnt feel I was being ripped off by the cost of the HANS itself).
I do in fact need new belts so will be getting HANS compatible ones for futureproofing if thats possible (you can use HANS compatible belts by themselves I pressume) Seat is probably optional, but not sure. |
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