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jesus bloody christ, what a bunch of self important bloody whingebags. get over yourselves, seriously, there are hundreds, if not thousands of people, who would jump a t the chance to be part of this particular show. just cause you've sat on a flag mound for 20 years (admirable as that is) doesn't mean you;re the be all and end all of aus motorsport. this forum has more whiney *****es than any ive seen.
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And I take it by this statement "whiney *****es than any ive seen. seriously you lot, grow the **** up" that you will be ringing the VFT to offer up your help - well done Tony's Spruiker - Very soon you will have realised just how many volunteer officials frequent this forum, whilst I am not one now, I have been one for a number of years, inlcuding at the stupid V8's. Cochrane is an idiot who should have realised the impact of his decision when he made it, instead of running around at the 11th hour trying to fix it, and fix it (as GTR might be suggesting) by offering LESS to the voulnteers than what is normally on offer at the Island, and just so you understand what is on offer, it is probably just lunch for 2 days and a hat. So STFU and get in and help instead of bleating on here - ******!!!! |
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So, 2 days lunch and a hat more than we get up here, I'll rush straight over!
Unfortunately too many of the big cheeses in motorsport think officiating is: a) easy, and b) done by people who just want to get in free. Every so often they find neither is true because either: a) something serious happens and the well trained and highly experienced officials deal with it, or b) they stick something on without any regard for competing events, prior commitments or the fact that said well trained and highly experienced officials are few in number and already spread too thinly over the existing events and actually don't think you're so important they must drop everything and rush over there to save your skin. It's a beautiful moment when it happens. Since the event seems to be being organised purely to fulfil a lucrative and binding contractual agreement, maybe the solution would be to properly reward said officials for turning up. Not necessarily by paying them cash in hand as that misunderstands their altruism and dedication, but by paying into a fund which will provide them with improved working conditions and facilities for all meetings at which they provide a service. Marshals and officials are an essential and much overlooked resource, and it amazes me how often people bag them for just asking for a little respect. You could, of course, run a meeting entirely without them, but I guarantee it will be a mess which hopefully everyone will survive. And yes, I mean that literally. |
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hmmm... I definately went in too hard with my post, and I'd like to apologise for that. I was pms-ing after a bit of an eventful ragged night (not an excuse, but a mitigator I hope). You are not whiney *****es, and I ought to be more careful with how I express my discord with posts.
I honestly do think that there are a lot of people who are too quick to whinge and moan and criticise everything. I wonder how much is just cochrane bashing, and how much is warranted. As far as the shortage of officials go, that IS slightly problematic, but I don't see how all the sniping going on here is helpful. I seriously doubt that there will be any issues with officials on the day, hell, they'll probably outnumber the crowd! It really gets to me, that the people who give up so much to be part of motorsport, seem so horribly embittered by everything V8 Supercars and can't say a single thing about it. What a sad state. |
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However your statement here makes me ask you is, WHY are so many embittered by everything V8? You will have guessed by now that this forum is frequented by a lot of people who on the inside of Australian motorsport, these are not people on the outside looking in, but real participants. And yes, there is an exceptionally high amount of people who believe that the V8 cricus is raping and pillaging all in front of them, including the governing body. Then they wonder why people don't want to go out their way to help. 5 or 6 years ago people were falling over themselves to be involved in all things V8, but it just isn't the case anymore, even the fans are getting very wary of the whole show. |
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And I still maintain you won't find too many 'officials' on here who have too much good to say about the V8 circus, and these are people who are close to the inner sanctum of the V8's But it is OK, you keep listening to Tony and not the 'real' people on the ground trying to make it work so that he looks good. |
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Bludvl is one of a handful of so called Gen Y's to join us trackside in the past few years and talking to him his peers just aren't interested in this type of volunteering despite him trying to drag a few along for a look. Interesting problem for someone called Jacob Quote:
I remember the situation at a high profile event many years ago where a bunch of "Professionals" where brought in (as volunteers) for an event and they all disappeared 2 hours prior to the end of the day so they could go to their paid night shift Unfortunately Jacob many of us at the bottom of the motorsport food chain have been at the end of the line when it comes to treatment by the upper end of the sport and when we get a rare chance we kick back (& hard). If you look back over the years on this forum you'll see various issues discussed from the dumbing down of the Yellow Flag rules which expose those of us trackside to all sort of legal implications if a serious incident occurs to the telling us when to wave the blue flag all of which effectively ties behind our backs, all this makes our job harder and has put several people off motorsport officiating completely. The vast majority of us don't get a free junket to the Singapore F1GP instead we spend our free weekends at all sort of events from V8's down to club sprints at Winton or PI. |
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He (allegedly) cut a deal with a fire extinguisher supplier, (Graviner I believe they were called at the time) to hire fire extinguishers from them, and as a bonus they would bring their staff to the track to "man the trackside points" All was going along swimmingly, as the Graviner staff arrived on the Saturday morning, excited at being part of the race event. They went out onto their points, only to find the fun disappear at a very rapid rate, when those fast, noisy cars began driving around the track. Come midday, all the staff were complaining about it being too dangerous for them to be out there, let alone to have to actually go to a crash or a burning car.... Needless to say, some eleventh hour phone calls were made to the local Fire & Rescue squad that evening, with them coming to the rescue (pun very much intended) to allow racing to happen on the Sunday. Now whilst this event is ancient history, it proves what a number of posters have already said, trackside officials don’t just grow on trees. (or in warehouses of fire extinguisher companies either) |
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Bring on the Endurance season, and some big name DNF's... (I'd love to see the V8 Chumpionship decided @ Winton, thus making the El Grande Finale the flop it deserves to be...) |
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Jacob, how about you come spend a couple of weekends out on the bank with us, and talk to the officials who are there meeting in, meeting out, and see WHY all the officials on here have jaded views of V8SCs. PM me, and I'll even organise it for you. |
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But this is not about how good a job officials do, its about people on here who can't say a single positive thing, who's first response is always to slam V8SA and everything they do. Anyone with a brain knows there are flaws, here's some news for you all... every single organisation in the world, and every other sporting association in australia has flaws and issues, but people on here are more than a bit sensationalist with their moaning. Fact is, when CAMS did it all, they whinged, every time an organisation has been in charge of the sport/show people whinged about something. Hell, GTR even managed to find a way to moan about the cameras on the Kelly car! |
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Once out in the field with a couple of old salt volunteers who give up their weekends for my chosen sport, rain, hail or scalding sun, and maintaining a strict professional code so as to ensure the safety of my racing brethren, IMO there isn't enough we can do for them. And from my experience (I have well and truly exceeded the minimum 8 hour requirement), most of these volunteers don't expect much other than to be recognised occasionally for their efforts, told they're doing a good job by someone other than another volunteer and treated with basic human respect. So if there are a few people on this forum who unload out of years of frustration and disrespect from V8SA and other promoters, then so be it, thats a democracy. If you want to be an apologist for V8SA, boy, you're in the wrong place. |
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Yes saloon cars are on as support cat. So more Ford \ Holden Having been on as a support before at other events it shocking the way we are treating even to the extent that we have even had races pulled.
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I'm not all that knowledgeable on the subject (Marshals) But for my 2 cents worth. V8SC is not a charity, they make money, they pay staff, they pay grid girls why would you volunteer a skill for free.
I'm over profit making operations wanting free labour and yes I know flagies do it case they love it but would Tony do it for nothing even if he loved it? |
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I'm not upset, but I think we may have wandered a little way off topic here, and I can't tell anyone off because I may have contributed to that, so back to the discussion, please.
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Thanks Bazil, now we can get back to "playing the ball"
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Now all the personal stuff is removed perhaps we can get back to the topic. A gentle hint didn't work, if deleting stuff doesn't then we can move up a level. However, I trust all the spleen venting is now over. In other words, enough, guys. We spend too much time in here discussing each other. If you want to do that, go join a dating site.
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