How would you deal with The problems facing single seater racing - Page 4

ptclaus98 · 17 Apr 2013, 22:51 (Ref:3235981)

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Originally Posted by ivanalesi

True, but having a smaller pool of drivers with such license will make the teams to start searching for sponsors and the organizers will have no choice but to improve their product. Right now every single team has a driver not good enough in their lineups who brings a lot of budget and they got no worries. It's so easy

Imagine the effect it might have on GP2 teams. No Richelmi, Leal, Canamasas, Rosenzweig, Trummer, Berthon, Varhaug, Binder or De Jong - they'll have to find the money by themselves as it was done in the past.

Yeah, and GP2 would be lucky to scrape 15-16 cars together.

**chunterer** · 19 Apr 2013, 07:25 (Ref:3236518)

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Originally Posted by ptclaus98

Yeah, and GP2 would be lucky to scrape 15-16 cars together.

In which case this brings us the whole point about what the series is suppposed to be for.

ivanalesi · 19 Apr 2013, 09:47 (Ref:3236564)

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Originally Posted by ptclaus98

Yeah, and GP2 would be lucky to scrape 15-16 cars together.

It will make the teams and most importantly the organizers realize they're the ones to search for sponsors. When you push people to the wall, they usually dig deep to develop their business to correspond with the times and show some creativity. It'll be very healthy, a bit like crisis. The weak got kicked in the butt. If they adapt they continue, if not they find themselves bankrupt.

davyboy · 19 Apr 2013, 13:13 (Ref:3236658)

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Originally Posted by ivanalesi

It'll be very healthy, a bit like crisis. The weak got kicked in the butt. If they adapt they continue, if not they find themselves bankrupt.

There are so many single seater series teetering on the brink at the moment that one would have to say there's something more fundamental wrong with the entire concept.

Moneyseeker · 19 Apr 2013, 17:35 (Ref:3236734)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

There are so many single seater series teetering on the brink at the moment that one would have to say there's something more fundamental wrong with the entire concept.

Which is why it needs something more radical to bring some stability and direction to single seater formulae- but then again, people have been saying this for the last 10 years whilst the industry sits and watches series after series limp along.

However, the fundamental problem is that all the money and commercial/sponsorship interest is at the top of the tree, with only a few occasional crumbs making their way downwards.

ivanalesi · 19 Apr 2013, 19:42 (Ref:3236784)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

There are so many single seater series teetering on the brink at the moment that one would have to say there's something more fundamental wrong with the entire concept.

Precisely, look out how many championships went down, many or all changed and some improved. Putting pressure on them by filtering the talent will only push them further to change, improve and finally bring their product into the current economic reality.

FFfan · 19 Apr 2013, 20:05 (Ref:3236790)

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Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

Which is why it needs something more radical to bring some stability and direction to single seater formulae- but then again, people have been saying this for the last 10 years whilst the industry sits and watches series after series limp along.

However, the fundamental problem is that all the money and commercial/sponsorship interest is at the top of the tree, with only a few occasional crumbs making their way downwards.

Well Said!!

Dominic Malvern

davyboy · 21 Apr 2013, 18:09 (Ref:3237448)

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Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

However, the fundamental problem is that all the money and commercial/sponsorship interest is at the top of the tree, with only a few occasional crumbs making their way downwards.

This is very true... a bit like Premier League football. However, outside of single seater racing and despite the difficult economic times, other disciplines such as touring cars and GT racing are thriving. They have managed to arrive at a formula that provides value for money, a TV format that interests spectators, and home that works for wealthy amateurs as well as career professionals.

FFfan · 21 Apr 2013, 20:50 (Ref:3237523)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

This is very true... a bit like Premier League football. However, outside of single seater racing and despite the difficult economic times, other disciplines such as touring cars and GT racing are thriving. They have managed to arrive at a formula that provides value for money, a TV format that interests spectators, and home that works for wealthy amateurs as well as career professionals.

An interesting analogy. But at least in football teams know that if they win the championship that can at least gain promotion to the premiership. In Motor Racing a driver can finish tenth or lower but still be promoted whilst the "league champion" doesn't go up if he doesn't have the means.

davyboy · 22 Apr 2013, 06:28 (Ref:3237703)

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Originally Posted by FFfan

An interesting analogy. But at least in football teams know that if they win the championship that can at least gain promotion to the premiership. In Motor Racing a driver can finish tenth or lower but still be promoted whilst the "league champion" doesn't go up if he doesn't have the means.

I was really just paralleling the concentration of finance between F1 and The Premier League, you're absolutely right in terms of the lack of any real kind of meritocracy in motor racing. In fact it's much more a business than a sport in that regard.

Asa · 23 Apr 2013, 07:57 (Ref:3238263)

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In Motor Racing a driver can finish tenth or lower but still be promoted whilst the "league champion" doesn't go up if he doesn't have the means.

That problem should be addressed by the Super License regulations. In the past, only F3 champions and F3000 race winners qualified for the Super License. Nowadays anyone who's wallet is deep enough is good enough.

BtccLee · 27 Apr 2013, 10:30 (Ref:3239933)

I didn't quite no where to put this and this seems a thread it may be correct for...

With Formual E and electric racing in general, are there ways of generating a natural noise that is pleasing for the spectator (E.G Not a quite whining)...

(Well it is a problem facing single seater racing)...

GolddustMini · 27 Apr 2013, 12:00 (Ref:3239950)

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Originally Posted by BtccLee

I didn't quite no where to put this and this seems a thread it may be correct for...

With Formual E and electric racing in general, are there ways of generating a natural noise that is pleasing for the spectator (E.G Not a quite whining)...

(Well it is a problem facing single seater racing)...

shove a racing engine in it, that'd solve the problem!

davyboy · 27 Apr 2013, 12:46 (Ref:3239959)

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Originally Posted by BtccLee

I didn't quite no where to put this and this seems a thread it may be correct for...

With Formual E and electric racing in general, are there ways of generating a natural noise that is pleasing for the spectator (E.G Not a quite whining)...

(Well it is a problem facing single seater racing)...

Fit them with a loudspeaker.

GolddustMini · 27 Apr 2013, 16:26 (Ref:3240012)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

Fit them with a loudspeaker.

and play the crazy frog over it I hope?

formerf1champ · 28 Apr 2013, 04:44 (Ref:3240138)

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Originally Posted by BtccLee

I didn't quite no where to put this and this seems a thread it may be correct for...

With Formual E and electric racing in general, are there ways of generating a natural noise that is pleasing for the spectator (E.G Not a quite whining)...

(Well it is a problem facing single seater racing)...

Fans, spectators would have to get over it

BtccLee · 29 Apr 2013, 16:32 (Ref:3240628)

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Originally Posted by formerf1champ

Fans, spectators would have to get over it

With British F3 now in 4 round mini format and likely to stay that way, is it really a bad thing? Now I know it had a lot of history, and I personally loved it, but maybe it was outdated in this more international age of racing.

My point is, in the UK we now have 3 strong series, yes Formula Ford has low numbers now but it is set to grow. Maybe this is the future, each country having a few "training" series, before moving onto larger Euro spec series.

And you have to say that is probably more relevant.

Perhaps there will be a FIA back national series, the F4 Beger proposes, which could work as it would pick up an existing series as opposed to starting a whole new one.

As a side note, does any see issues between Berger's and Jonathan Palmer's F4's, especially after the Autosport news. What do people think about that???

formerf1champ · 1 May 2013, 12:00 (Ref:3241311)

I'm not sure where you are going with my response. What did you mean by "is it really a bad thing?" Is this Formula E class replacing F3? Also, any idea that Gerhard Berger proposes is a bad one.

BtccLee · 1 May 2013, 12:51 (Ref:3241320)

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Originally Posted by formerf1champ

I'm not sure where you are going with my response. What did you mean by "is it really a bad thing?" Is this Formula E class replacing F3? Also, any idea that Gerhard Berger proposes is a bad one.

Sorry, wasn't supposed tpo quote your post... so I didn't mean anything and FE isn't replacing F3...

Why do you say what you do in you last point?

formerf1champ · 2 May 2013, 11:51 (Ref:3241708)

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Originally Posted by BtccLee

Sorry, wasn't supposed tpo quote your post... so I didn't mean anything and FE isn't replacing F3...

Why do you say what you do in you last point?

You were wondering of ways to make an artificial noise on the electric cars, for the purposes of pleasing the spectator. From my pov, it was another angle that a fan/spectator can complain about unnecessarily. I just thought if fans/spectators did complain about it, then they should just get over it and just pay less attention to the class.

When you read so many forums over the years, and have heard every criticism of every class under the sun, it just does my head in. You have to let electric cars be electric cars. I attend a lot of state/club/amateur meetings down here. When you have a program of 12-16 races with 6-8 categories, you're not going to like everything that's there.

BtccLee · 7 May 2013, 19:20 (Ref:3244086)

Here is a question for the UK? Will Formula Renault 2.0 UK ever return?

kipper · 7 May 2013, 23:05 (Ref:3244139)

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Originally Posted by BtccLee

Here is a question for the UK? Will Formula Renault 2.0 UK ever return?

I'd hope not. With Formulae Ford, 4 and Renault BARC in addition to the potential FIA F4 and Formula Renault Junior series, the market would be over saturated.

Moneyseeker · 14 May 2013, 20:03 (Ref:3247483)

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Originally Posted by BtccLee

Here is a question for the UK? Will Formula Renault 2.0 UK ever return?

Unlikely I think, unless Renault UK decided on a massive re-launch to support the series with eye catchers like say an F1 test drive or scholarship prize fund to move to FR Europe or subsidised WSR drive.

Which is also unlikely....

Once momentum is lost and without any of the above, it's hard to get teams and drivers back.

edenrace · 20 Jun 2013, 13:46 (Ref:3265465)

Yipee just what we all need ...another junior single seater series

davyboy · 20 Jun 2013, 14:24 (Ref:3265479)

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Originally Posted by edenrace

Yipee just what we all need ...another junior single seater series

Couldn't believe it when I read it in Autosport this morning. Nuts isn't it. You really gotta wonder what these people have lying between their ears.

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