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Here is a picture:
http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/la-...e-un-peu-plus/ |
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Given we knew it was a 911, I can't explain why I still hoped it would end up being less... 911.
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Proportions look no different to a rearish engined 911. I too was hoping for something more GT1ish
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The rear end and engine bay area look slightly different.
Nah! ACO would never allow it and there would be a tremendous backlash and gnashing of teeth with people running around screaming that the sky is about to fall on our heads because the costs would go through the roof. Also - Porsche are wedded to the 911 shape for GTE. |
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Not saying it can't be done, but there doesn't look to be a great amount of space between the rear axle line and the back of the driver. Ideas on how to make this work...
1. More space than appears so it's actually a non-issue. Nothing special needed. 2. Given the turbo four in the 919 and the new turbo four in the street cayman/boxster, what is the chance this will be a turbo four (shorter engine)? 3. Slide it all backwards a bit and have a slight rearward angle on the axles. Richard |
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Oh you mean like every other 911 ever? *Sorry for the easy 911-never-changes joke.*
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By GT1 I was referring to the actual Porsche 911 GT1, not just the class itself. Admit it. We all wanted to see a front half 911 and a back half swoopy dream car. No, not a Cayman. The more I look at the pic, the more I think it looks more rear engined than ever. I see the diffuser and wing position indicating the engine has been shifted to better take advantage of new rules, but that's it. Last edited by seanyb505; 28 Jun 2016 at 16:06. |
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I assumed you both were talking about the original mid-engine 911 GT1.
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1. Totally new car that fits between the 911 and 918. It would be mid-engined and while having classic Porsche elements, would be it's own car and not a mid-engine 911 or a super Cayman. 2. Cayman 3. 911 (road car layout) 4. 911 (GTE mid-engine special) And I am not a fan of either #3 or #4 at all. But I have sadly and reluctantly accepted Porsche's inability to move beyond the 911 in GTE. Richard |
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Why can't they just run a non-hybrid 918 and call it a day? Ford's GT will be around 500k. So Ferrari should make the F12 GTE, Vette are testing a mid-engined car, Aston should run a Vulcan and McLaren a P1 LM sans hybrid. Cars are too expensive right? But it's the manufacturer's that're the teams or at least their satellite teams. I'm in dreamland, sorry.
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Update the 917/30, with addition of roof and headlight decals. 917/40 or whatever. BoP that!
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Until this move, I thought Porsche was staying true to the intent of the class. While I am critical of their reliance upon the 911 platform for GT racing, they are (or have been) consistent in how they go about it. They basically provide multiple levels of development for the 911 be it GTE, GT3, Cup Car, etc. For them it has been about promoting the brand and a specific car. And while they clearly homologate it off something like the GT3 RS (or whatever is the homologation source these days), the race cars are fundamentally similar to the production cars. I think Ferrari has generally been the same. This is poorly worded, but an arms race in a series that uses BoP doesn't make much sense to me. I "do" think that each manufacture should be expected to bring a car of some specific engineering level "in the road car form". So if Foobar Motor company shows up with a GTE version of some lame stone age car, don't expect it to be balanced to the point it is really competitive. You gotta at least "try" to show up with a naturally quick car. But an ongoing and rapid raising of this bar is not healthy? I am rambling, anyhow... In short, it should be first and foremost about racing versions of "mass produced" cars. And not about cars designed for the class and then produced in limited numbers, or waivers that fundamentally change the identity of the source car (i.e. mid-engine 911). Richard |
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Another pic from twitter shows a different angle:
https://twitter.com/johndagys/status/747863919117668352 |
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I remember reading somewhere that Porsche thought of that , but concluded that it was too expensive (don't know how, but that is what was claimed).
I suspect the decision to opt for the continuation of the 911 "development" is based on marketing reasons rather than pure accounting. The 918 is a halo car that has reached the end of its production cycle. The 911 is the backbone of Porsche (although it NOT the TOP seller). Porsche is traumatized by its experience in the late 70's when it tried to substitute the 911 with the 928. It was complete and utter failure (especially among Porschephiles who happen to be amongst the most conservative aficionados in the world of sportscars). The Company almost went bankrupt and Porsche learned their lesson. Unfortunately this decision to fiercely "protect" the 911 also brings with it far less strategic flexibility . I'm sure that eventually Porsche will come up with a mid-engine car (not just a halo car), but I expect to only see tiny little baby steps in that direction until eventually someone at Porsche has the testicular fortitude to run the gauntlet. |
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The vents at the top of the rear screen do suggest some sort of mid-engined cooling requirement, maybe.
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/p...urbo-at-monza/ |
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GT3 version of the new Panamera...?
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My apologies if I was not being clear. What I was talking about is the rumored 960 or FeFI that was supposed to sit in between the 911 and the 918. Last edited by Spyderman; 29 Jun 2016 at 15:47. |
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Do they have to now make their entire line up of sports cars mid engined.
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And the Cayman gt4 is pretty darn close to the 911 these days
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The GT4 is an outstanding car. However, it is aimed at a clubsport clientele in its racing version. As a road car it is equally fantastic , but it is close to the Carrera/S. It doesn't quite compete with the more upmarket/sportier 911's.
Having said that, it is currently my favorite Porsche. |
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