Another Chevron one - Page 4

Michal · 24 Feb 2004, 20:05 (Ref:884415)

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Originally posted by Chris Townsend
Michal

I've just picked up on your note that Ertl had 04. Are you sure it went unraced, or was it the car used by Ertl at Hockenheim that season. [F1 Register has this as 09 but I think that is wrong]
......
Chris

We are both right, he sold his privat car unraced in the middle of the year and for Hockenheim race he hired ICI-rentcar.
Michal

rdrcr · 24 Feb 2004, 20:13 (Ref:884428)

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Originally posted by allenbrown
If you look at the pages I've done on the Lola T330, McRae GM1 and others, I reckon we have enough to create such a page ("mystery cars" and all) and I'm happy to host that and take care of it.

Allen

Allen, I am of course aware of your fine work and I thank you for your gracious offer.

IIRC, we have spoken and I should still have your contact info yes? I would like to speak with you about this effort.

hmmm... a quick look reveals that I apparently do not have it as I thought... I will continue to search for it though.

Dan Rear · 25 Mar 2004, 13:49 (Ref:919133)

Just seen an old A/Sport from late 77 season, a Croft meeting has John Lewis in a B34 1.6 BDA. I presume this is John who worked at the factory, and so the car is an Atlantic one, possibly ex-Opert ? Perhaps the one Jim C used late on in 76. Any thoughts ? Also confirmed that the Parsons Irish B34 FAt is the ex-Lees F3 car.

Dan Rear · 30 Mar 2004, 13:59 (Ref:923988)

A bit more from my early 79 A/S researching !

On B47s, they have as well as the 4 UK cars, 3 to KWS, and 2 to Trivellato. The latter team were supposedly building their own F3 car, don't think that ever happened did it ?

So it looks like in 79 Chevrons made 8 F2 cars, 4 FAts, at least 9 F3s, and, I think, at least 2 FSVs, plus any B36s ??. For a company apparently on its knees by early 79, 23 cars isn't all that bad. I suppose though that compared to earlier days its not too good, and more importantly, the 79 range cars didn't go too well, so effectively ending it all.

There's also a picture of Patrese in a 'B48' at the early season Japan race, it looks quite a bit different too the other B48s pictured pre-season. Was this the oen later numbered -08, that we think was based on a modified B42 tub ?

Dan Rear · 14 Apr 2004, 12:50 (Ref:939408)

At Donington on Sunday, I had a good chat with Steve Worrad of Maverick Motorsport. He was running Alain de Wagter (?) in the Derek Bell in a B48. Steve says its the ex-Huub car, no 7, and he also has the other one no 3.

I mentioned this thread, he said he'd be interested in looking at it, esp re B48s, and B42s, the latter being a model he's actively looking for one of.

Says he'd heard there were 8 B48s made, which confirms what we think. He's aware apparently of the ex-Stohr car, and also says the de Wagter, a Belgian, is in touch with and a mate of both Regout and de Dryver. I said that we were unsure whether the RAM car entered for De D in mid-79, (but not raced I think)was the usual Regout/Aurora B42 updated, or was a 'real' B48. If the latter, then our list of 8 is complete, but if so where did it go I wonder. Maybe Steve can help out here too !

All in all a very interesting chat, as ever not enough time to go into properly.

Patrese256 · 14 Apr 2004, 20:51 (Ref:939801)

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Originally posted by Dan Rear
There's also a picture of Patrese in a 'B48' at the early season Japan race, it looks quite a bit different too the other B48s pictured pre-season. Was this the oen later numbered -08, that we think was based on a modified B42 tub ?

Is this the photo you mean?

5th Nov 1978 JAF GP Suzuka - Chevron B48 Hart

Bryan Miller · 15 Apr 2004, 00:39 (Ref:939966)

B48-79-07 is as I reported earlier in this thread in Australia and has been since Andrew Miedecke stuffed it at Macau, and it has the plate on the car.

Bryan.

Dan Rear · 15 Apr 2004, 13:11 (Ref:940438)

Bryan, thats interesting, I'd forgotten this when I was chatting to Steve W. Maybe he has -3, the other ex Huub car, and his other one is a further car still ...

He was adamant it was ex Huub, saying he has some original bodywork from it, showing sponsorship from Binair Computers, which is correct. He also says he has a wide nose, ie like a B42/40/35/29 etc, for it, which Huub definitely used at ceratin races in 79, the Phoenix Park Irish Atlantic for one.

So I wonder which is his other B48, perhaps -8, the ex works/Robinson car, that pictured above I think with Patrese at the JAF GP.

I tried e-mailing Steve W, message returned to me.

Bryan Miller · 16 Apr 2004, 09:16 (Ref:941301)

Dan.

The car here ran with Alan Docking modified bodywork, I am unsure whether this was done and run as modified in the U.K. or if the modifications to bodywork were only on the car over in this neck of the woods, but carried out in the U.K.

Bryan.

Dan Rear · 16 Apr 2004, 11:19 (Ref:941407)

Bryan, I guess they were done over here, as it definitely ran at Phoenix Pk with the wide nose, which I guess was the last Euro race it did that year. Did he do Macau I wonder ? I suspect they copied the works wide nose mods, -08 certainly ran at Donington F2 race in August that year with the wide nose, Devaney driving, this car also ran at Phoenix with Eddie J I think.

Dan Rear · 6 May 2004, 14:54 (Ref:962610)

As the B29 thread is off again, I'll restart this one too. Anyone know which Chevron F2 Steve Fitzsimmons had in the 90s over here ? Can't recall whether it was a B40 or 42, pretty sure he did have one though, or was it a different Steve...

Also which was/is the one Simon Hadfield was quick in in the last few years ?

Jeremy Jackson · 6 May 2004, 15:30 (Ref:962637)

Fitzsimmons ran a B42 in a couple of BOSS races in 2000 (Presumably while trying to get the Eurobrun fettled), but I don't know which one it was.

Hadfield's is ex Opert (Laffite?) I think, would this be Ron Harper's old car?

Michal · 6 May 2004, 22:23 (Ref:962947)

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Originally posted by Jeremy Jackson
Fitzsimmons ran a B42 in a couple of BOSS races in 2000 (Presumably while trying to get the Eurobrun fettled), but I don't know which one it was.

Hadfield's is ex Opert (Laffite?) I think, would this be Ron Harper's old car?

I red somewhere, that Steve Fitzsimmons has ex-Agostini car, which means ex-Trivellato 78-42-14.
Kevin Fiske from USA has ex-Opert car 78-42-12 with Hart engine.

Michal

Dan Rear · 7 May 2004, 10:47 (Ref:963317)

Steve F's could well be ex-Ago, as Ken Brill had this over here in 79. No idea where it was between then and now, maybe in a barn somewhere ?

Mackmot · 7 May 2004, 15:52 (Ref:963600)

My dad knows where the two ICI Derek Daly B42's are which were run by Warren Booth in Northern Libre races.

Jeremy Jackson · 7 May 2004, 18:33 (Ref:963705)

Booth had the ex-works/Rahal B48 (01) didn't he? Then moved on to the ex-Purley/Evans Shadow DN9B.

One of the ICI B42s went to Ireland, can't remember off-hand on the other.

David McKinney · 8 May 2004, 18:39 (Ref:964480)

Booth raced an ex-John David Briggs B42 (#16) in 1979

One of the ICI B42s was raced in Ireland by Gary Gibson and later Bill Gowdy

Jeremy Jackson · 8 May 2004, 23:12 (Ref:964628)

Has Fitzsimmons still got his B42, because the ex-Ago B42 is now raced in US historic events by Pete Gulick / Simon Hadfield. Lee Chapman Racing website says "restoration recently completed" - that was mid-2003.

Dan Rear · 10 May 2004, 13:55 (Ref:966511)

The ex-ICI B42s were many, it appeared! Think Garon/Regout had one in Aurora 79, the Stokes/Wainwright car was also described as ex-Daly, the Gibson car defintely was IIRC.

Jeremy Jackson · 10 May 2004, 14:12 (Ref:966534)

There were at least 3, nos 02, 08 & 09. The Regout car was 09.
And I think, the Gibson/Gowdy one was 08. Never found much on the Stokes/Wainwright one though

Dan Rear · 10 May 2004, 15:22 (Ref:966598)

I guess the Stokes car may have been -02, Chris T mentioned this earlier on here. Agree with David M re the Warren car, -16, anyone know where it went after him ?

David McKinney · 10 May 2004, 18:29 (Ref:966759)

The Booth car went to Jim Evans 1980 - don't know after that
I agree on 08 for Gibson and 09 for Regout; 02 for the other would seem lgical

Dan Rear · 11 May 2004, 12:52 (Ref:967613)

Don't think Jim E ever raced this B42 did he ? He certainly wasn't out in F At or Aurora in 1980,perhaps he used it up North that year, or just sold it on ? In fact I can't recall him in single seaters much in the 80s. He did own (I think) the ex-Cooper 792 Kim M had in Atlantic in 81, maybe he had a few libre races in it. Didn't he have a 762 in about 1977-78 over here ? I presume he took Warren's B42 in part-ex for the Shadow.

Mackmot · 11 May 2004, 13:01 (Ref:967633)

How much is a B42 worth nowadays?

Jeremy Jackson · 11 May 2004, 14:35 (Ref:967715)

Jim Evans was playing with a turbocharged FVC-engined Esprit in 1980, raced at the DRM race at Donington, this was after he'd run a turbo Escort for a while aswell. With AET Turbochargers, who also assisted Mr. Sugden with his turbo Esprit, but that's another story, I suppose...

Definitely had a 762 in 78 though, and he did do a few Libre races in 1981 in the 792.

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