Unique Rallycross Cars

[struggie]

Originally Posted by rx-guru

http://iedei.files.wordpress.com/201...neger_1974.jpg

Harald Neger from Austria in 1974

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_-eQm8MhvoTU/SO...37A-1024CS.jpg

And in 2008.

Was the 1974 taken in austria or lydden.if it was lydden I belive the escort was john Smith (stiga sponsored) and me last.

[rx-guru]

Lydden, I guess outcome of Chesson’s Drift. AFAIK this is a pic taken by Kerry Dunlop.

[struggie]

Eddie. Any images from st veit in austria.Of info?

[rx-guru]

I was only once at St. Veit, in 1983. The track had parts of an old horse trotting oval, one corner on gravel perfect for drifting. AFAIK they closed the circuit more than 20 years ago as it was almost in the middle of the town. Old Austrian RX pics via the link below, but it seems that my Austrian snapper friend Johann Newetschny has never been to Sankt Veit an der Glan.

http://members.aon.at/jnewetschny/00005.html

[rx-guru]

http://www.rallycrossforum.at/viewto...t=248&start=20

A pic I took of Franz Wurz and his 1982 ERC winning Audi quattro in that great St. Veit corner as mentioned above.

[rallycrossnl]

'Harald Neger from Austria in 1974'
Ah oke, the name didn't ring a bell, not a common name here. (it's even a swear word in dutch )

I also do remember a VW Beetle with a '2 litre' 2000CC Porsche engine. Man from Eindhoven, Netherland. Drove it hardly without breaking into the barrier in the chicane at Valkenswaard. Toon (anton) .... something...

In one of the pictures in the book there is an other 'open top' car, looks a bit like a buggy. Also early 70's

Indeed in Belgium V.A.S. competition 1 and perhaps still 2 MR2 MKI are driving. I should have own pix of them somewhere...

Ludo Helven at rare occasions pulls his Marcos Mantara out of the garage and takes it for a spin. Mighty car. http://www.rally-racing.nl/Wordpress%202.3%20NL/?p=239 Can't remember if he ever did ride it in competition or just for trainingdays / demo's.

Dutch Champions in 1970:
Class 1: Tim Baker (GB) BLMC 998
Class 2: Mrs. T. Goddard MG Midget
Class 3: Jan de Rooy DAF 55 1296
Class 4: P.v.d. Molen Citroën Special
Class 5: J. Williamson (GB) BLMC 1275
Class 6: H. Geeris Porsche 911
(from the book Rallycross by Jan Rooderkerk)

A Datsun 240Z was driven by Rob Jansen (1971)
Ieke v.d. Wal drove something called the V.d. Wal Special powered by a Alfa Romeo 1600cc engine. At times, he was faster then John Taylor and Rod Chapman... Ieke competed in oval racing in GB too. Was one of the starters of oval / speedway racing in .NL.


1972 Dutch and Dutch int open championship cars
Jan and Harry de Rooy drove DAF 55(5) with a 1800cc Ford BDA engine 200BHP 4WD.
Frans van der Aa DAF 55 Coupe Buick 5 litre (5000cc!) V8 375BHP
Pieter v.d. Molen Build a 2CV with Citroën DS 21 drivetrain, fwd.
Hans Willemsen Skoda (no model given) - with a Oldsmobile V8 engine..
Renault R 8 (no driver name given)
Mercedes 220S (Hofnar taxi) Tjeu Korenman
Wout Couwenberg Ford Escort - BMW 2000 engine.
Franz Pickel Mercedes 280 CE (for the 1972 22 oct Hofnar Trophee he mounted a 6.3 litre engine)
David Angel BLMC 4WD mini
Per Eklund ex-works rally SAAB

1973
Leo Stuivenberg NSU 1300TT

Nice video of some of the cars @ eurocircuit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6kwj...eature=related

[rallycrossnl]

All pix in the book are b/w so can't say anything about the colours of the cars of for instance David Angel.

Would those 4WD mini's be either single engine 4wd or like a 'Twini' Cooper? Dos anybody know? info about twin engine mini's http://mk1-performance-conversions.c...pics_twini.htm

[rx-guru]

One factory 4WD Mini (Clubman version!) only, just one engine!
In early 1971 debuted by Brian Chatfield at Lydden.
Later driven by Hugh Wheldon and "Jumping" Jeff Williamson.
In late 1972 used for three events at the Eurocircuit by David Angel.
Mainshaft from front diff to Austin Healey Sprite rear diff, fixed in boot.
1300cc cross-flow engine with Weber twin carbs.

[rx-guru]

For RX Franz Pickel had a 250CE first, later he had a 300SEL with 6.3 l engine.

http://www.oldtimer-service-pickel.de/historie_1972.php

http://www.oldtimer-service-pickel.de/historie_1973.php

[rx-guru]

BTW, have a copy of Jan Rooderkerk’s (by then the NRV press officer and I remember him still) book myself. Was available with two different covers. My copy has the two yellow Camel-DAFs of Jan and Harrie on the cover.

[rx-guru]

Your Toon ? was possibly Toon Nachtegeller, later driving Ford Escort RS1800…

[rallycrossnl]

aha, thnx. In the book it said 'placed this and that engine' didn't mention body change. Reading the history at his page, I see what you did mean with 'drove to the track, taped over the headlights and raced it. He really didn't use a trailer or bus/van to move it, he actually drove his racecar to and from the track.

[rallycrossnl]

Oeps broke the 30 mins rule.


Mine has a different cover. It has the open top car picture.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by rallycrossnl

aha, thnx. In the book it said 'placed this and that engine' didn't mention body change. Reading the history at his page, I see what you did mean with 'drove to the track, taped over the headlights and raced it. He really didn't use a trailer or bus/van to move it, he actually drove his racecar to and from the track.

Yep! And right, in the book on page 37 there is no cardboard and tape over the headlamps of his AMG 300SEL 6.3 and the ER- reg number (ER = Erlangen) is also missing.

[rx-guru]

Originally Posted by struggie

David Angel the same DA as ran a mauve and black mini in the early 70s? (ran a breakers yard I belive)

Do not remember much of David Angel these days, Graham. Went the first time to Valkenswaard for the 1974 ERC round on September 1 (won by Jan de Rooy in a brand new subframe DAF 66M BDA), when Angel was not a Eurocircuit regular any longer.

[rallycrossnl]

ok.

Still no clue what car the open top one is, might have to ask some of the oldtimers.
In the book at page 92 there is talk about an incident involving a Postma, rolling his 'mini cabriolet'..

[rx-guru]

At the end of 1972 all open cars as well as all 4WD cars were banned from Rallycross as the people ruling the sport by then were trying to get Rallycross adopted by the FIA/FISA. From 1973 on their Group 5 rules came into force and when FIA/FISA eventually took over in 1976 also the hybrid cars (DAFs with BDA engines, VWs with Porsche engines etc.) were banned. About the open Mini: At youtube there is a very old vid with pictures of that Mini cabriolet. Looks like having about 350 to 400kgs only…

[struggie]

my group 5 mini (the gartrac built car) weighed 635 KG the mini cubman had to wiegh 675 kg .the rules at the time was the minimum weight (what that was I cant remember) had to be adhered to unless the homoligated weight was lighter than this minimum (a little known rule mainly brought in by Les needham).the mini was. and with only about 140ish BHP available it was decided to move away from the heavier clubman. the mini was also a bit more aero.

[rx-guru]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYEhA4VV5WE

That video from the first year of the Eurocircuit (1971, not 1970 as said in the title) with the Mini cabriolet and other 'open specials'. Also to see the first 4WD DAF 555 of Jan de Rooy, the so-called 'het bultje' [the hump]. The engine was inside the drivers compartment and while Jan’s seat was placed above the variomatic unit, there was not enough space for his head and helmet. Therefore, they cut a whole into the roof and covered it with a hump.

[rx-guru]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg3rzjS5esg&NR=1

Another one bites the dust, Mini goes over Mabbs’ Bank at Lydden…

[rallycrossnl]

About halfway down this page, there is a drawing and there are pix of the legendary DAF 555 monster
http://www.racehistorie.nl/daf/daf_m.htm

There is nothing much about weight in the old book, other then there has to be enough structure left the car is still safe, but scruteneer decides.. And of course FIA homologation

[rx-guru]

But they have only the drawing of "het bultje", with the engine (first a small Gordini engine, later a BDA) inside the passengers compartment.

In the two Camel-DAFs for Jan and Harrie the BDA engine was in the engine compartment while only the variomatic was installed beside the driver’s seat.

[rallycrossnl]

Yes you are right.

I asked around about the open top car on the cover. It is Ieke v.d. Wal in the Van De Wal Special, a oval/speedway car rebuild for RX.

[rx-guru]

When I arrived in 1974 in RX all 'open specials' were already gone for good. Only know them from pictures. In 1973 I had already seen three or four 'AVRO Rallycross' programmes on TV, but also already without open cars.

[rallycrossnl]

Good they are gone, rallycrosscars do have the tendency to go upside down to often...

Scroll a bit down on this page, there's a good picture of one and loads about the DAF's in rallycross
http://www.rallydaf.nl/Rally.html