V8s To Fly In Shanghai (Official Thread)

[Rombles1]

Why shouldn't Dynamik change numbers? Didn't Ingall run one round last year as #98?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by inpitlane

The story going around is that next year or 07 will see 3 OS rounds NZ, Shanghi and Dubai with Malaysia also on the possible list.
Very long term a race in South Africa and one in England are also very possible.
That would allow AVESCO to cull more local races like QR, EC, Barbagello, and either PI or Sandown.

Hmmmm, I cant wait

Thats what Aus motorsport is all about. Would it likely still be called an Aus championship, would they still compete for the ATCC ?

Originally Posted by inpitlane

The plan would be that the current Development series would be the local National Level Championship running at traditional tracks.

Does anyone think that this plan would work. How will fans react to be given 2nd best

[James63]

Originally Posted by Belly13

Are Team Dynamik allowed to change their numbers? I thought GRM got in trouble a few years ago at Winton when Tander ran #35 (usually #34) and Bargwanna ran #34 (usually #35).

The reason they got into trouble is because they swapped numbers AND tyre allocations.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Belly13

Which teams are struggling financially? I know of Dynamik and now Britek, but the aim of restricting the field to 32 from '06 on is to maintain high interest from companies in order to gain their $$$.

I think you'll find the reason is becuase not all tracks can handle 34 cars

[Rombles1]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I think you'll find the reason is becuase not all tracks can handle 34 cars

That sounds to me like a reason to get the tracks to either upgrade or lose their events, rather than a reason to reduce the number of entrants!

[James63]

I agree 100%!! An extra 2 pit bays aint gunna kill the track owners..

[retro]

V8s ready to race in China
June 8, 2005

THE stadium will be bare but the inaugural V8 Supercar Championship race in Shanghai is set to be a resounding success.

The Chinese event promoters, the Greenland Group, are ecstatic with the feedback they have received for bringing Australia's premier motorsport series to Asia, despite the fact that only 50,000 people are expected to make their way to the 200,000 seat capacity stadium on Sunday.

AVESCO chief executive Wayne Cattach said everything was looking promising for an inaugural event despite some early setbacks.

"Not everything has happened the way we thought it would," said Cattach.

"If you wanted to give it a rating, this is a 10 in terms of difficulty.

"You have got the language barrier, cultural differences and the bureaucratic way that China does things.

"We are not the only industry that has suffered those problems, but we overcame them and that's important and made everything happen with some excellent assistance.

"Greenland are telling the government they anticipate 50,000 people on Sunday. In a 200,000 seater stadium it might look a little thread-bare.

"We would like to see a bigger crowd, all of the teams would too. But we have got to be realistic and we are running this event for the first time in a country of not a lot of motorsport and no fan base, running on live television.


"No matter what happens we will still come out of this in good shape."
The fact that Ford and Holden, the two car manufacturers in the series, are not driven in China has not caused any concerns for AVESCO or the teams' sponsors.

Holden driver Rick Kelly has switched to another General Motors brand more recognised in China and will drive for Team Buick.

But for other sponsors, the China event offers enormous potential that just isn't possible in Australia.

"The significance of this country is enormous in Australia's terms because it will be our biggest trading partner for the next 10 years," said Cattach.

"A lot of team sponsors want to promote here and can establish some footprints through this event. We have new sponsors on board just for this event.

"Those sponsors that aren't involved in the Asian market, for example Super Cheap Auto who have no interest in China, if we were at a replacement round they would get two hours of television time in Australia, here they are getting five hours.

"Five hours of live television back in our country is pretty good, so nobody is whingeing."

While there is a huge commercial stake in this event, there is also some very strong political interest.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard and Queensland Premier Peter Beattie both sent letters to the launch applauding the event and defence minister Robert Hill will attend the racing this weekend alongside some of China's top politicians.

The Greenland Group spent over 40 million RMB (Chinese currency) securing and organising this event and while those investments won't be returned immediately, they have developed strong political relations as a result of their efforts.

"I think Greenland are already happy because of the recognition and kudos they have received for making it happen," said Cattach.

"China has invested this massive amount of money into making the world's best racing circuit and they don't want to see it being used for just one event a year.

"No government can sustain that kind of use and they want to showcase Shanghai to the world and bring international recognition to the event. Now they have three of the best motorsport events in the world, the Formula One, MotoGP followed by the V8s.

"We have got a five-year arrangement with an option. I suppose all there is left to do is sit back on Sunday and see what it looks like."

AAP

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by retro

V8s ready to race in China
June 8, 2005
"Greenland are telling the government they anticipate 50,000 people on Sunday. In a 200,000 seater stadium it might look a little thread-bare.

"We would like to see a bigger crowd, all of the teams would too. But we have got to be realistic and we are running this event for the first time in a country of not a lot of motorsport and no fan base, running on live television.

So why go ?

Originally Posted by retro

"China has invested this massive amount of money into making the world's best racing circuit and they don't want to see it being used for just one event a year.

"No government can sustain that kind of use and they want to showcase Shanghai to the world and bring international recognition to the event. Now they have three of the best motorsport events in the world, the Formula One, MotoGP followed by the V8s.

Well, with one sucessful event out of 3 [F1], there needs to be some questions asked.

Moto GP was a flop, crowd-wise 200,000 seat stadium or not.

But I suppose that a 50,000 crowd is better than 16,000 on raceday.

Hey I've just had a brilliant idea, the events that pull the best crowds get to return the next year, so on that theory:

Eastern Creek OUT.
Phillip Island OUT.

Winton IN.
China IN.
Wannaroo IN.
mORON Park DOUBTFUL
Darwin DOUBTFUL.

Originally Posted by retro

"We have got a five-year arrangement with an option. I suppose all there is left to do is sit back on Sunday and see what it looks like."

AAP

Well Mr Cattach, whatever it looks like for real, won't be shown on Ch Serious, will it ?

All we will get is that Clock Winder, Diffey telling us what a sucess it's been, and how the crowd loved it: etc...

And while someone else pays, the Junket will continue, shame about the real 'Home of Motorsport', the circuits where these 'Superstars' learnt to race, they need the opportunity to generate a profit too Mr Cattach.

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

But I suppose that a 50,000 crowd is better than 16,000 on raceday.

Hold the front page, I've just done the maths, 50 K out of a 20 million population is roughly .25 % of that cities population

16 K out of a 4.5 million population is .35 % of the population,

So on that basis, Eastern Creek is in & China is out........

[Silver GT]

shanghi is only 7 million

but if you look at the total population of the country...then the maths are different

if .001% of the Chinese population go then 100k would be there

if .001% of the Aussies og then that would equate to 2k

Based on that....the V8s wont be back in this country

[rustyinsthoz]

And I will be amazed if they get 50000 on raceday . Come to think of it , I will be amazed if they get that many over the 3 days .

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by Silver GT

shanghi is only 7 million

I beg to differ.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/...ent_287714.htm

[Spunky]

How come we have gone from how great this event will be and how successfull to now back pedalling with the crowd of 50 000 will get lost in such a large area, and as the chinese do not really know Holdens and Fords not to expect to much etc etc.

[Growling Ferret]

Further to Uncle Crankers link,

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_449875.htm

A V8 Supercar/stock-car story in the China Daily...

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Spunky

How come we have gone from how great this event will be and how successfull to now back pedalling with the crowd of 50 000 will get lost in such a large area, and as the chinese do not really know Holdens and Fords not to expect to much etc etc.

Reality has set in. They have realised the money is good, but it is going to compare to bagging they will incur if no one shows up.

On 10 last night S Richards says " Its great, we are being treated like rock stars". They cut to scene where the boys are travelling down the canal, the camera pans to the edge of the canal the locals are situated, the v8 boys give them a wave. The response, the blankest look I have even seen on a persons face, then one child provides a confused wave before moving on. Weirdest Rock concert I've been too.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

Hold the front page, I've just done the maths, 50 K out of a 20 million population is roughly .25 % of that cities population

16 K out of a 4.5 million population is .35 % of the population,

So on that basis, Eastern Creek is in & China is out........

sorry uncle cranker, i believ there was a flaw in your formula
the formula is a/b+c
wheer a is crowd b is cities population and c is fee paid to have the race.

so for EC you would get 200,000.35
and for china you would get 2,000,000.25 +

so EC falls well behind.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

wheer a is crowd b is cities population and c is fee paid to have the race.

so for EC you would get 200,000.35
and for china you would get 2,000,000.25 +

so EC falls well behind.

Arh yes maths with Avesco. As long as we get money, who cares where the race is.

[peckstar]

the key was the 2 million they are getting paid compared to the 200k at EC

[Silver GT]

Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

I beg to differ.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/...ent_287714.htm

okay...sorry I was incorrect

[Uncle Cranker]

Originally Posted by Silver GT

okay...sorry I was incorrect

Cheers, Silver.

There was no slight intended [if there had been I would have been upfront].

I was concerned you were making my figures look even more rubbery.

Hold that thought, are you actually the AVE$$CO crowd figures guy, in-cognito?

[Grimace]

Originally Posted by Grimace

Will any Friday or Saturday V8 action be shown to BIGPOND subscribers and if so does anyone know what times AEST???
... also will Panelbeaters be on next friday and at what time AEST?

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO MY FIRST QUESTION???

[Kerri]

See below

[Kerri]

Originally Posted by Grimace

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO MY FIRST QUESTION???

Go To: http://v8supercar.bigpond.com/flash/races.aspx

[Grimace]

doh! thanks

[Phase3]

F#@K your all a bunch of sour barstards...........

Oh Boo Hoo, the gross percentage of left handed midgets who can yodel whilst standing on their left leg is less than Albino lesbians who are vegetarians and own Lizards, therefore we shouldn't go oversea's.......

I only attend one round a year & the rest I attend in the lounge room, so from my point of view I don't care if they only get the proverbial 2 men and a Dog, I'd much rather watch the V8's at Shanghi than crappy old Winton......