Coupes from 2010 - Page 4

JAG · 20 Jun 2006, 20:52 (Ref:1638027)

Say a Mazda P1, built by Dome, run by the factory, with customer cars for RFH etc.

Thats how it could work.

rustyfan · 20 Jun 2006, 21:03 (Ref:1638038)

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Originally Posted by kingkai

Coupe LMP1's, WOW airborn cars

again.

Bill Auberlin didn't have much of a problem sending his open BMW prototype airborne at Road Atlanta in 2000 though... and we all know what happened to Alboreto (caused by a puncture but an open prototype going airborne nonetheless).

dj choc ice · 20 Jun 2006, 21:15 (Ref:1638046)

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Originally Posted by ScuderiaV8

Lola have mentioned previously that they would be interested in building a car to win Le Mans with manufacturer backing, so publishing that rendering will be a good advert for them to any potential manufacturers looking ahead to 2010.
I can't really see the ACO making LMP1 a 'manufacturer only' category and alienating the privateer teams like RfH, Pescarolo etc. Privateers will always form the backbone of the class if/when the manufacturers lose interest, and that's where the likes of Dome and Lola come in. Combine these with renewed manufacturer interest and LMP1 could be in for a healthy future.

lola making a new car with manufacturer backing, not unheard of they did that with the nissan R90 lemans group C racers which although not very reliable were one of the fastest car of the era so its not been not done yet if you know what i mean and i believe they did the same with the MG lola EX257 and i think we may see lola develop a car for a big manufacturer again in the future, a recent example is the audi R8 which was made by dallara the same people who made the dallara LMP for rollcentre racing and oreca and the old 1999 panoz LMP which were made by reynard so its not unheard of a small specialist company building a car for a big manufacturer like audi or mercedes or so on and so forth .

rcarr · 21 Jun 2006, 17:30 (Ref:1638532)

The ACO have posted up a picture of how the cars should look.

http://www.endurance-info.com/2006_L...ndredi_089.jpg

Cool! Looks 917 Langheck-esque

paul-collins · 21 Jun 2006, 17:57 (Ref:1638549)

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Originally Posted by rcarr

The ACO have posted up a picture of how the cars should look.

http://www.endurance-info.com/2006_L...ndredi_089.jpg

Cool! Looks 917 Langheck-esque

I think it looks more like the 908 coupe...

jhansen · 21 Jun 2006, 18:04 (Ref:1638556)

Great, it looks like a historic car. Just what I wanted...

Fortunately the designers will come up with something better.

Mosport Fan · 21 Jun 2006, 18:24 (Ref:1638564)

It looks like a return to Group 'C'/GTP basically.....in my eyes, good with the fans. Although I never saw them race in the past (too young), they certainly offered a lot of variety (Spice Acura, Probe, Corvette GTP, etc), but hopefully it won't become dominated like the arrival of the 962. I think manufacturers can relate more to a closed car than an open onee, however. Should be really interesting........

gwyllion · 21 Jun 2006, 19:25 (Ref:1638585)

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Originally Posted by paul-collins

I think it looks more like the 908 coupe...

Porsche or Peugeot

cptkablamo · 21 Jun 2006, 21:26 (Ref:1638650)

They are keeping LMP2 as prototypes aren't they.

If they do and the cars look somewhat like that, I think that would be ok. I love the prototypes but the ACO do like to make big changes every now and then so...Coupes in the past have looked awesome, so there is no real reason to expect anything different in the future.

Prob also a bit of pressure from prospective manufacturers to have such cars...or just looking beyond Audi.

rcarr · 21 Jun 2006, 23:50 (Ref:1638732)

I have a great shot in a porsche book of the 917 langheck looking very like that.

I just wish I could be helping to design these new coupes, I am qualified to design racing cars! So please someone give me a job!

JAG · 21 Jun 2006, 23:56 (Ref:1638733)

P2 will remain as it is so the manufactuers developments and teams investments will not go to waste.

For P1, Lola, Courage, Zytek and Creation already have cars up and running, so will get a good 3-4 years running out of them.

It looks like Lola will offer a major upgrade to their P1 with the B10/10 coupe, so they at least feel P1 teams are willing to upgrade chassis before 2010.

broadrun96 · 22 Jun 2006, 07:28 (Ref:1638824)

K, two things. the Lola mockup , for those more familiar with the rules, whats the relation between greenhouse width and spoiler length. And I know its a mockup but doesnt it need either wider cockpit or smaller spoiler and losing the F1-style nose? And then for the flipping coupes people, I thought the majority of the flips had to do with the old flat-bottom designs and not properly managin air under the car and thus creatin lift if the front rode too high, ie bump in road or hittin debris? Believe I read it in an article written by Grodon Murray of McLaren F1 fame.

**Bentley03** · 22 Jun 2006, 08:18 (Ref:1638850)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

K, two things. the Lola mockup , for those more familiar with the rules, whats the relation between greenhouse width and spoiler length. And I know its a mockup but doesnt it need either wider cockpit or smaller spoiler and losing the F1-style nose?

I think you may be confusing the artists impression of the Lola 10/10 with the 'new 2010 LMP1 coupe's' which have been recently announced at Le Mans.

The Lola pic is (in very basic terms) a B06/10 with a canopy, which makes it legal for current rules ACO competition until 2009. We are (very!) likely to see the Lola racing within a year.

The picture released by the ACO of a 2010 rules coupe is in no way related to the Lola picture. The rules/regs for 2010 have not yet been released (or, for the most part, written). There will be many meetings and much discussion between the ACO and the manufacturers before that happens.

I have to say that I'm somewhat surprised to see the ACO release such a picture and leave so many unclear and ambiguous remarks in their press release. I have GA/DP alarm bells ringing in my ears at the moment (no offence to GA, it's just not the direction I want to see the ACO go in).

Pilgrimage · 22 Jun 2006, 12:59 (Ref:1639094)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

... I have GA/DP alarm bells ringing in my ears at the moment (no offence to GA, it's just not the direction I want to see the ACO go in).

My thoughts exactly.

broadrun96 · 22 Jun 2006, 14:22 (Ref:1639133)

K, thats what I had thought, just wanted to sure. And I really HOPE we dont end up with ugly, short, fat things like the Riley DP in LMP1. Would be nice if they make the manufactors use hints of their street cars in the bodies, would keep the DP look to a min.

JAG · 22 Jun 2006, 17:46 (Ref:1639254)

I'm thinking it will be more like the pic below.

Wider greenhouse like the CLR, if it's any wider it would resemble the '98 CLK-LM, plane nose without the single seater styling cues, with a rear wing that would be much shorter, maybe closer in stryle to the winglet we saw on the 917K, if placed low like the V12 LMR. Wheel base would be pretty similar to todays cars seeing as the basic chassis regs are staying the same.

cptkablamo · 22 Jun 2006, 19:01 (Ref:1639308)

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And I really HOPE we dont end up with ugly, short, fat things like the Riley DP in LMP1. Would be nice if they make the manufactors use hints of their street cars in the bodies, would keep the DP look to a min

They are my fears...Those cars do not in any way reflect what Le Mans should look like...I would like it if they went to the general dimensions of the Bentley or the late 90's cars...

JAG · 22 Jun 2006, 19:06 (Ref:1639310)

Why is everyone talking about DP's.

2010 P1's look nothing like them,.have you not seen the illustraion and the desire to keep the same chassis etc.

DP's are curious little creatures that only NASCAR could dream up.

**Adam43** · 22 Jun 2006, 20:12 (Ref:1639342)

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Originally Posted by JAG

...without the single seater styling cues...

I've was wondering about this and how perhaps the cars could be moved away from the single seater look with bodywork around the tyres.

I thought maybe a change to the radiator rules. The radiator has to be at the front and perhaps has some size and position restrictions too.

Flat12-Aircool · 22 Jun 2006, 20:41 (Ref:1639362)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Wider greenhouse like the CLR, if it's any wider it would resemble the '98 CLK-LM, plane nose without the single seater styling cues, with a rear wing that would be much shorter, maybe closer in stryle to the winglet we saw on the 917K, if placed low like the V12 LMR. Wheel base would be pretty similar to todays cars seeing as the basic chassis regs are staying the same.

I agree thats what I imagine many of them to look like.

But I'm now wondering that even if LMP2 reg's change to perhaps 800kg with 50bhp less, it seems to me that around a more twisty course like those in the LMS championship that the new LMP1 Coupes will struggle to stay ahead of the more nimble and higher downforce LMP2's.

JAG · 23 Jun 2006, 01:36 (Ref:1639483)

Why should P2's have more downforce etc., just because the rear wing will be smaller does not mean they will be slower.

The smaller wing is in place to keep the 2010 P1's at, or around the 3.30 mark at Le Mans. Prototypes are a moving target, much more so than GT's, and especially so with the intense manufactuer competition we will hopefully see in P1. I wouldn' be suprised to see rear wings banned altogether by 2015!

In F1, wing size has been reduced massively, to cut a theoretical 25%+ downforce, yet the cars have gained most of it back, and are quicker than ever.

Two, three years ago some were predicting the current P1's would be slower than the old SR1 cars, even SR2's!

Now it turns out they have more downforce, power and are quicker than anything before them.

Flat12-Aircool · 23 Jun 2006, 17:03 (Ref:1639889)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Why should P2's have more downforce etc., just because the rear wing will be smaller does not mean they will be slower.

The smaller wing is in place to keep the 2010 P1's at, or around the 3.30 mark at Le Mans.

Just look at the fuss caused over the reduced rear-wing of the Saleens recently for how it can effect a car on twisty circuits.

Plus overall, the changes to the bodywork and wing will produce less drag so what they loose through the Porche Curves at Le Mans they will get back down the 4 straights. So I can't see it affecting the Le Mans laptimes much at all.

JAG · 23 Jun 2006, 18:17 (Ref:1639930)

Well I think Oreca and Zackspeed have shown what the Saleen is capable of, small wing or not.

The other GT1 cars went through a similar process in the winter of 2004, yet were quicker with development.

spectre200 · 28 Jun 2006, 16:17 (Ref:1643535)

dailysportscar.com reported today that KWM are looking at converting the Creation CA06 to a new coupe version, possibly for 2007. The sketches look absolutely gorgeous. This should help them get ready for 2010's new rules. There may also be an open top for LMP2 customers.

isynge · 28 Jun 2006, 16:22 (Ref:1643539)

Looks like Creation amd KWM are going down the coupe route for 2007, with the aside that they feel this will help them prepare for 2010 more effectively.

Images on DSC - very nice looking car.

Not bad news at all in my opinion.

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