2007 Italian GP thread. - Page 4

Mr V · 8 Sep 2007, 19:14 (Ref:2007018)

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Originally Posted by mjstallard

I concur

I'm trying to decide whether to go to Monza or Spa next year with some friends for a nice little motorsport holiday. I think it's got to be one of those two - just such special places.

As they are only 1 week apart agin next year, why not go to both?

**Bononi** · 8 Sep 2007, 19:16 (Ref:2007020)

Yeah, I would choose both, because if I could go to one of them surely I would be able to go to both.

mjstallard · 8 Sep 2007, 19:22 (Ref:2007022)

Cor...now that is a good idea

I'm going to float it around folk I know and see if anyone is up for a mega-GP expedition. I know I am!

Rennen · 8 Sep 2007, 20:54 (Ref:2007074)

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Originally Posted by mjstallard

I concur

I'm trying to decide whether to go to Monza or Spa next year with some friends for a nice little motorsport holiday. I think it's got to be one of those two - just such special places.

Take it from me it's Monza every time, of the two. Monza has far more atmosphere than Spa.
From a drivers perspective it would be SPA, but as a spectator it has to be Monza, and do visit the old banked section. Try walking to the top of the banking, a great test of your fitness, the thort of cars whizzing around there is quite mind blowing!

Ellmau · 8 Sep 2007, 21:08 (Ref:2007077)

Exactly, Monza has much better atmosphere.

**Adam43** · 8 Sep 2007, 22:09 (Ref:2007108)

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Originally Posted by Rennen

Try walking to the top of the banking, a great test of your fitness, the thort of cars whizzing around there is quite mind blowing!

Getting to the top just presents you with another problem! I ruined a pair of jeans coming back down!

'twas worth it though:

Ellmau · 8 Sep 2007, 22:15 (Ref:2007110)

I heard some time ago there were plans to remove the old banking. Anyone knows more 'bout this?

jnr blue 91 · 8 Sep 2007, 22:20 (Ref:2007114)

the ferraris are fuel right up imo, the macs are 2 or 3 stopping, and kimi didnt have the feeling of the t-car today so was off the pace. other than that..i think its another feerari 1-2

**Adam43** · 8 Sep 2007, 22:24 (Ref:2007119)

It won't be three stopping - that is just madness at Monza. One stop is best and everyone apart from the first few will do that, I guess. Kimi may be 1 stopping? Massa may be heavier, however I think most of the time difference can be explained by McLaren's speed at this track and their ability to get their tyres working on that one qualifying lap.

In many races this year the relative pace of the Ferrari's have improved in the race.

Knowlesy · 8 Sep 2007, 22:40 (Ref:2007129)

My memory is failing me on this one, but in recent years people have gone to the two stop strategy more have they not?

I suppose it depends how the race works out. And with having to use both tyre options throughout a race, maybe some will be forced onto two stops to prevent running half the race on a tyre that may hurt their pace bad.

Certainly I think Ferrari are a little heavier and are going to be stronger come race day. But I don't think they planned on being that slow in qualifying and practice somehow.

ralf fan · 8 Sep 2007, 22:43 (Ref:2007136)

They have generally gone on 2 stoppers since the introduction of qualifying on race fuels. Certainly the front runners have decided to qualify on less fuel to get the pole. It will be interesting tomorrow especially in the midfield with a variety of strategies especially with the 2 tyre rule. Ferrari are probably heavier but it seems they genuinely lack the pace to challenge Mclaren.

Marbot · 8 Sep 2007, 22:45 (Ref:2007138)

A safety car period could definitely screw things up for some I feel.Not that I'd wish for a safety car,but it could certainly make things interesting.

And of course Ferrari will be saying that the 'Macca's' wouldn't be so fast if they hadn't bloody well gone and nicked our set up data.

foreversideways · 8 Sep 2007, 23:48 (Ref:2007188)

Just watched qualifying. How great does Monza look compared to these new money making car parks we see bernie developing all over the 3rd world.

Marbot · 8 Sep 2007, 23:52 (Ref:2007189)

It's a great track which is only spoiled by possibly some of the most constrictive chicanery yet devised.

foreversideways · 9 Sep 2007, 00:01 (Ref:2007192)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

It's a great track which is only spoiled by possibly some of the most constrictive chicanery yet devised.

I was going to make that point but i feel that even with the wiggly bits it still make the car parks look tame. However this generation of f1 cars look a breeze to drive compared to some previous incarnations, especially though Parabolica.

JeremySmith · 9 Sep 2007, 00:03 (Ref:2007193)

Cars thundering along between the trees..All the history at this special place, in one of the "greatest countries" in the world..Love it!

foreversideways · 9 Sep 2007, 00:06 (Ref:2007196)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Cars thundering along between the trees..All the history at this special place, in one of the "greatest countries" in the world..Love it!

Yes it's almost got the history of, say China or Turkey or possibly Malaysia.

Knowlesy · 9 Sep 2007, 00:10 (Ref:2007199)

The only chicane I don't like is the first one. Unnecessarily tight and horrid.

The second chicane has kerbs to jump, albeit not as high as they once were (and the tarmac runoff is horrible, as the GP2 race proved as everyone took to it).

The third chicane, Ascari.....beautiful.

foreversideways · 9 Sep 2007, 00:18 (Ref:2007201)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The only chicane I don't like is the first one. Unnecessarily tight and horrid.

The second chicane has kerbs to jump, albeit not as high as they once were (and the tarmac runoff is horrible, as the GP2 race proved as everyone took to it).

The third chicane, Ascari.....beautiful.

For me it's the Lesmos. They used to be a real challenge for a driver.

Marbot · 9 Sep 2007, 00:18 (Ref:2007202)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The third chicane, Ascari.....beautiful.

I never really thought of Ascari as being a chicane.

I miss the old Hochenheim too.

JeremySmith · 9 Sep 2007, 00:34 (Ref:2007207)

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Originally Posted by foreversideways

Yes it's almost got the history of, say China or Turkey or possibly Malaysia.

You are spoiling my dream

Racenut7 · 9 Sep 2007, 02:22 (Ref:2007246)

Will Kimi start from the pitlane using the spare car.

JeremySmith · 9 Sep 2007, 02:37 (Ref:2007250)

Kimi is P5...

FPV GTHO · 9 Sep 2007, 04:27 (Ref:2007277)

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Originally Posted by ralf fan

They have generally gone on 2 stoppers since the introduction of qualifying on race fuels. Certainly the front runners have decided to qualify on less fuel to get the pole. It will be interesting tomorrow especially in the midfield with a variety of strategies especially with the 2 tyre rule. Ferrari are probably heavier but it seems they genuinely lack the pace to challenge Mclaren.

I think it was 2004 when they first started qualifying with fuel, but the most common strategy was still a 3 stopper then, with the odd 2 stopper apart from those buried in the grid trying to jump ahead and then there was Schumachers 4 stopper in France. 2005 though they all basically went to a 2 stopper as the norm. The notable difference there was the lack of tyre changes, so only a need to refuel.

Davhut · 9 Sep 2007, 06:54 (Ref:2007304)

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Originally Posted by foreversideways

For me it's the Lesmos. They used to be a real challenge for a driver.

And they still are, especially the first. Fast, precise and with today's cars apparently flat out. Where my oldest friend wants his ashes thrown!

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