Ford's Return to GT Racing - Page 43

Articus · 17 Jun 2016, 04:32 (Ref:3650835)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Why does it run with less boost-at-rpm than the Ferrari? The Ferrari has a larger engine and two more cylinders... I'm genuinely curious.

Just coming back to this comment. What the multimatic guy was saying directly alludes to this. In this case, it doesn't actually appear to be a move to equalize performance between the Ferrari and the Ford. They quite simply have tried to reduce the power output of the Ford because it is a very low drag car compared to everyone else. The Ferrari should have more power since it punches a slightly larger hole in the air. Funny as the Ferrari by itself has been historically been the least draggy of the GTE's until the Ford came along.

Maybe it's starting to make more sense why Ford and Ferrari are so far ahead. A lot of things came together, there equipment is already better suited to Le Mans with low drag than any other competitors, and on top of an apparently favorable BOP for the turbo cars, it's no wonder the Ferrari and Ford just made everyone look bad. Even without turbo engines, those two cars would be the quickest in the straights. With the extra power, they have no equal.

Lagunaseca_4life · 17 Jun 2016, 06:20 (Ref:3650851)

It's funny how every one was very disappointed and mocking the fords after daytona,sebring,and long beach.and how the new gte regs were a failure because they were slower than last year.now they are on top and beat porsche,aston Martin,and ferrari at their own game.everybody knows silverstone and spa are Le Mans bop races and no one wants to show their true speed.

its a 24 hour race and yes the gap is huge,and yes I want to see ford win.but I bet they will not hold this pace for the race,they may do a few laps or hold two cars on conservative lap time.but the turbos can not possibly withStand that boost and heat all day to lay down those laps.i see reliability issues for both,for ford I keep on having flash backs of Peugeot in 2010 for some reason.i hope I'm wrong.go ford!!

carbsmith · 17 Jun 2016, 06:36 (Ref:3650855)

You know every car that has won Le Mans overall this millenium has been a turbo and Ford's engine has won a 24 hour race before, right?

Reliability is a huge question mark overall and probably why they didn't bother to hold back any pace at all in qualifying but I'd be more worried about door latches than turbos.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 19 Jun 2016, 14:32 (Ref:3653372)

Congrats to Ford and Chip Ganassi.

Articus · 19 Jun 2016, 19:29 (Ref:3653587)

68 car was flawless today over the 24 hours. Muller/Hand/Bourdais did not put a foot wrong, just pure qualifying laps for 24 straight hours after they kepy getting shuffled back due to slow zone timing and safety car. The drivers put in a very impressive performance!!

MagVanisher · 20 Jun 2016, 01:04 (Ref:3653678)

I have to say that after watching the 24 Hours of Le Mans yesterday, my faith has restored when Ford won their class.

Sucks that the UK team didn't take the podium compared to the US team.

MoMedic9019 · 20 Jun 2016, 01:12 (Ref:3653679)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

I have to say that after watching the 24 Hours of Le Mans yesterday, my faith has restored when Ford won their class.

Sucks that the UK team didn't take the podium compared to the US team.

Faith in what? The ACO excessivley fiddling with BoP? And then when doing so, failing to actually make the rest of the squads competitive?

Akrapovic · 20 Jun 2016, 01:13 (Ref:3653680)

Maybe the faith in protesting cars they already beat.

MoMedic9019 · 20 Jun 2016, 01:16 (Ref:3653682)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Maybe the faith in protesting cars they already beat.

Ah, yes, forgot that one...

Rcz · 20 Jun 2016, 01:34 (Ref:3653692)

It's very odd of people doubting the Ford GT through out year.

They fooled everyone and were mostly sandbagging during the IMSA and WEC races, so what now. What will the FIA and IMSA do now?

Lagunaseca_4life · 20 Jun 2016, 03:43 (Ref:3653725)

They protested the risi car in the final hour because ford had to pull in the 66 earlier in the race to fix the number lights losing some time in the garage,other cars also had to do the same but not risi.Audi/Peugeot used to pull this crap all the time back in those days.

MoMedic9019 · 20 Jun 2016, 04:13 (Ref:3653729)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

They protested the risi car in the final hour because ford had to pull in the 66 earlier in the race to fix the number lights losing some time in the garage,other cars also had to do the same but not risi.Audi/Peugeot used to pull this crap all the time back in those days.

Feel free to provide examples...I can't think of a single one.

Lagunaseca_4life · 20 Jun 2016, 05:06 (Ref:3653735)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Feel free to provide examples...I can't think of a single one.

Peugeot protested the r15 and its legality.audi protested peugeots wing that was tilted some to lower the gurneys angle.and I remember they would always go back and forth to race control in '10 or '11 complaining about the amounts of soot we would see blowing out the exhausts.

But now I'm almost curious if ford tried this to get a 1-2-3 finish......

MoMedic9019 · 20 Jun 2016, 08:06 (Ref:3653767)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

Peugeot protested the r15 and its legality.audi protested peugeots wing that was tilted some to lower the gurneys angle.and I remember they would always go back and forth to race control in '10 or '11 complaining about the amounts of soot we would see blowing out the exhausts.

But now I'm almost curious if ford tried this to get a 1-2-3 finish......

Eh... yeah... that jogged the memory... I don't know how much of it was ever actual filed protests though.

Victor_RO · 20 Jun 2016, 08:19 (Ref:3653770)

One thing lost in all the hullabaloo and controversy is which one of the 12 Ford drivers ended up fastest in the race.

Scott Dixon.

...actually was that a surprise in any way?

Akrapovic · 20 Jun 2016, 10:34 (Ref:3653790)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

They protested the risi car in the final hour because ford had to pull in the 66 earlier in the race to fix the number lights losing some time in the garage,other cars also had to do the same but not risi.Audi/Peugeot used to pull this crap all the time back in those days.

Completely, 100% correct. Absolutely. And everybody hates it then and we had big rants about how the ACO let Peugeot away with so much and a lot of French jokes were made and a lot of accusations were made on Radio Le Mans. You are 100% correct.

But that doesn't change the fact that none of the P1 classes are acting like that now, and Ford are now one of the ones being children. At least Peugeot, one of the least sporting teams we've ever seen at Le Mans, dropped the R15 protest in 2009 after they won at Le Mans. Ford couldn't even win with good grace. But they aren't alone in that - the entire GT class has acted like spoilt brats with the mud slinging and whining. So at least they fit in with everybody else.

cokata · 20 Jun 2016, 17:43 (Ref:3653892)

Absolutely disgusting showing from ford. Blasting past GT cars on the straights as if it was a P2 car, while just a month ago they looked dead on the straights. Never have i seen a less deserving class win at Le Mans. For shame Ford, for shame! At least half of the blame has to go to the ACO too.

TF110 · 20 Jun 2016, 21:10 (Ref:3653953)

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Originally Posted by cokata

Absolutely disgusting showing from ford. Blasting past GT cars on the straights as if it was a P2 car, while just a month ago they looked dead on the straights. Never have i seen a less deserving class win at Le Mans. For shame Ford, for shame! At least half of the blame has to go to the ACO too.

seriously? They were at or near the tops at Spa in the speed trap, keeping up with lmp2s. Where were you then? They didn't go round corners as quick, but you see just how low this car is and you know it's got minimal drag. It was built for LM, and they won it

**bjohnsonsmith** · 20 Jun 2016, 22:45 (Ref:3653982)

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Originally Posted by cokata

Absolutely disgusting showing from ford. Blasting past GT cars on the straights as if it was a P2 car, while just a month ago they looked dead on the straights. Never have i seen a less deserving class win at Le Mans. For shame Ford, for shame! At least half of the blame has to go to the ACO too.

What is disgusting is the sandbagging, Bopping and the faffing around by the ACO. Define the rules, stick with them and there is no problem.

Rcz · 20 Jun 2016, 22:50 (Ref:3653984)

Well anyway, can't wait to see the Fords at the Glen. It's gonna be good

Lagunaseca_4life · 21 Jun 2016, 03:39 (Ref:3654055)

Yea now let's see if Imsa changes their bop after this weekends display.....

Matt · 21 Jun 2016, 13:23 (Ref:3654155)

why would they.

IMSA bop is different from WEC.

Coach Ep · 21 Jun 2016, 13:33 (Ref:3654157)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

Yea now let's see if Imsa changes their bop after this weekends display.....

yes, because Watkins Glen, Lime Rock, Mosport and VIR are very similar to La Sarthe...

Only track coming somewhat close to LM's characteristic long straights is Road America, expect the Ford to be a frontrunner there - they can have it, but no need to change the current BoP for 1 out of the next 5 or so tracks the series visits.

However, IMSA being who they are, I'm not betting against another extensive round of BoP!

seanyb505 · 21 Jun 2016, 13:33 (Ref:3654158)

Is the WG race sponsored by Ford? Or does it share any sponsors with a Ford entry?

Akrapovic · 21 Jun 2016, 14:19 (Ref:3654178)

Ford drivers speed was pretty consistent. Fastest laps and average laps of all the drivers only covered by 1.6 seconds over all 4 cars. Doesn't take into account slow zones or anything but that's amazingly tight.

For comparison, the Corvettes were spread by 3.3 seconds. Anyone can say what they want about Ford, but that's a brilliant performance by all the drivers.

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