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I guess my question really refers to the works team
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It looks like Allan though of the same question as according to his Speed column it is the first time in Audi Sports history that both cars haven't finished.
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...petit-le-mans/ That is quite a record after 11/12 years of racing |
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Allan is substantially more moderate than Dr. Ulrich....
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This was a fantastic event once again. Most memorable for me this year was the track. It looked the best I've ever seen it and they did a terrific job of getting everyone in and around the track (from the inside looking out anyway). You simply can't fit any more people into that facility comfortably. If that is not an argument on why PLM should be in the WEC or a lesson on how to run a WEC event, I don't know what is.
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I will never condone watching nascar, but everyone that is appalled bt Dr. Ulrich's comments immediately following extreme devastation should watch a little nascar.
Also, try not taking your wife's side in an argument/incident she's involved in and see how that goes for ya. Regardless of who you blame for the crash, I found his comments spot on at the time and as PC as one could expect at such a time. Cut him some slack. You know he'd reword it now if he could. |
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Also, if Frank has data that shows his "line" for 394 laps, I don't even wanna begin to "check it." Funny reply though. And see, I'm not mad.
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After being at Petit and reading these comments I will share what I saw. I'm not going to get into the whole "who's fault was it" discussion but I will say this-
I am an Audi fan and have worked for Audi for 11+ years. I also TRY and like Peugeot becase they are great competition and I like the 908. I even waited in line and got 2 signed posters from the drivers during the autograph session! BUT-as much as I try to like them its hard. They are definitely arrogant especially F.Montagny and I witnessed this first hand. The only fans they had at the podium ceremony were the people that traveled with them! I tried talking to them several times and they are unfriendly. Not to mention they act like you are bothering them. The way the race ended was even worse and was kind of upsetting to see FM flash his lights in joy after Dumas crashed. Dear Peugeot, THERE IS A REASON WHY THE AUDI DRIVER AUTOGRAPH LINE WAS 5 X'S LONGER THAN YOURS AND THATS CRAZY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BARELY WON AGAINST YOU! The way both teams carry themselves is night and day. A couple of fans asked Marcel Fassler why Audi didn't have the #2 car block or get tangled up with the remaining Pug. He said that they don't want to win that way and only want to beat them head to head. Someone else said they wished the Pug would crash and he again said thats not how they wish to win. So thats my 2 cents. I want to like Peugeot and respect them but damn its hard! And Audi deserves more credit than they are given. This was their first year running the coupe and the thing is down on power compared to the 908. They could have done a lot worse this season and have managed to stay pretty competitive with Peugeot And lets not forget that Audi is always coming up with new technologies through their sports car program and trying new things. The 908 is pretty much the same car as the last 4 years and has the most powerful engine they could build to regs. Of course its fast and they know how to run it. Audi missed with the R15 but they were trying a diferent concept at least. And at least the R18 has innovative ideas and technology that can be developed... Last edited by MihokS5; 4 Oct 2011 at 19:33. |
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Of course, it has been popular and fashionable though out the years to bash the French, and the US and Britain have been the best/worst at it. You have to wonder if there's an anti-French bias at work, and that every little indiscretion will provide ammunition to fuel that. I personally hoped that the presence of Wurz, who is a well-liked and respected driver, would give Pug some positive credibility, as well as the fact that the LM debacle aside (for which he apologized for to his credit), Davidson has shown maturity and speed behind the wheel and in the press. Maybe I was hoping for too much with that, as Kristen Stewart make some negative comments last year that caused controversy and she apologized for it, and that got pubic opinion on her side in the end. But this is a view in racing that's been held for a few years vs a view of an actress that not many people knew or understood until recently, and that, I think, is part of Peugeot's image issue. People tend to respond to things that they don't understand with fear, skeptisim, and, often, hatred and cynicism. And that is how the press is a double edged sword--the British, namely on Top Gear, rubbish Peugeot's cars a lot (though they like those of corporate partner Citroen), and it's grown into public opinion. Some of Peugeot's actions do justify some of the condensation towards them, but there's a difference between criticism and simple bashing. To be honest, I'm a bit of a Pug fan, so I try not to condemn them as a group, and I have to admit to being a fan of Wurz, Davidson, Minassian and Sarazain as drivers, and I find tech director Bruno Famin to be one of the most trustworthy sources in the paddock, always being able to ably dance the line as far as letting us know what we "need" to know, but still being open and accessible, and above all else, honest. Sorry for this long winded analysis, but I do think that even though some of the condemnation of Peugeot is at times deserved, there comes a point where it does get old and overdone, especially if one takes a step back. I don't think that Peugeot should be condemned as a whole for such things, but if one is going to criticize, one should be more choosy of the subject of their ire |
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oohhh...how kind and generous from you trying to like the evil peugeot-team with its old non-innovative car.... please as audi-fanboy and peugeot-basher you are, stick to your guns...suits you much better, don´t try to like somthing thats beyond your mind... |
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Second-I admitted that I was an Audi fan out of the gate and that I also like the 908, so I don't know what the problem is. I obviosuly offended you somehow with my "views" of what I saw, but get over it and don't try to call me out- Last edited by MihokS5; 4 Oct 2011 at 20:30. |
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I do like that Audi is trying to be inventive, but their "experimenting" this year has cost them at least two races--Spa, where they didn't do enough "real world" on track testing to dial in their cars on a dirty track, and Imola, where new bodywork wasn't tested as well as it could've been, and lacked some parts needed for the normal ALMS/LMS tracks. And in racing, you have to be fast to win, and having even a marginally faster car can help if used properly. I do still think that some of the drivers are having issues with adapting to the closed car--Allan and TK have had the most issues, and it's not something that can be glossed over due to how many issues both have had. And Allan, Tom and Marcel have had GTP exprerience, but only Fassler has driven a current rules car--one of Rebellion's Lola-Aston Martins in the LMS in '09. Allan and Tom aren't dummies and haven't forgotten how to drive. Maybe Audi should've bought a Lola and rented some GT cars at some test and use the Lola as a "trainer" in the same way that old fighter planes are used as advanced trainers. I do hope, like Henk, that Audi and Peugeot can put on a show at Zhuhai, because Audi need to end 2011 on a high note, and both need a race without controversy and to gather momentum for 2012. |
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And if you read what I was trying to say you would see that I like the 908 and want to like the team-THATS why I waited in line to meet the guys and get a poster. It was race behavior that turned me off And like I said-you don't know me so stop making assumptions about what my motives are. Go troll for some more Audi fans to bash |
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And as I mentioned, you can't condemn the whole Audi or Peugeot teams for anything that happened at PLM. Condemn Montangy or Quesnel if you want, but don't drag the whole team down with them. Condemn Dumas and whoever designed the cockpit for the R18 if you want, but don't drag the whole team down with them.
I do think that the blame game is getting a bit tiresome and has become every bit as overblown and worn-out as the love triangle being played up in the Twilight Saga films, or, in some's views, the Twilight films themselves. And it's certainly becoming worn out over something that I, several posters here, IMSA, and most commentators have agreed was a racing accident. I don't want to sound like a pompus arse about this, but as far as the Audi/Pug who did what, this incident is a non issue, and I think that if Franck, Romain, and Herr Ulrich saw all the replays, I think that they'll eventually reach the same conclusion--it's a racing accident, and is nothing more or less than that. Of course, like with AD, I do think that reporters should never talk to team personnel immediately after an accident or after they get out of the car without them having some time to cool down and digest the information. That I think would help a lot in these situations. |
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The size of the autograph queues in Europe for Audi and Peugeot is about the same, slightly depending on where the race is being held. Audi has a much larger presence in the US than Peugeot so I can imagine that more people are interested in seeing their cars and drivers. I personally had no difficulties talking to Montagny, but you may never know what state of mind he is in. (I am not a Peugeot fanboy, but I drive an estate with a PSA HDI engine, and an Audi R15 and R18 sticker on the rear door) |
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Maybe Peugeot enjoys playing the role of the heels (the bad guys, for all you non-professional wrestling fans)
After all, every good story has a struggle of good vs. evil. |
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