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18 Apr 2015, 17:54 (Ref:3528554) | #1176 | |
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Coyote's shop is literally 30' from Crawford Composites (which still does carbon tub race cars) anyways, so even that excuse is hard to take at face value.
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Speaking of GM, looking at carbsmith's comments makes me wonder if they stopped being greedy and decided to focus on their GTE program? Then again, Mr. Jim France wouldn't want his prototypes not having Corvette engine power (plus bodywork). Well, time to continue the hating game against that 4-manufacturer limit! |
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I hate the 4 manufacturer limit!
Coyote probably doesn't have the resources to make a brand new modern platform. So thier going to need some help most likely. If GM chipped in then the transition might go smoothly. But they probably go with the multiple American Chassis makers making one car thing. Which is dumb. |
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It does make sense to expect Coyote to be a factor given their political connections, they could subcontract to Chase or Dallara for tubs, but keep in mind Riley already has a P2 design which would only need some updating, and they are very capable, their car would probably be competitive.
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20 Apr 2015, 16:30 (Ref:3529354) | #1182 | ||
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As I have already stated Riley has 2 LMP3 's under construction obviously with CF tubs . Though it is not yet explained whether Riley or Crawford are doing the Tub ?
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John Dagys reports that HPD will bid to become one of the four approved P2 constructors:
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More? Sure that would be great but 4, along with different bodywork should make for variety. Although at first I was sour on the whole thing, I'm starting to understand the whole economics of it. Each one of those manufacturers of P2 tubs has to make money, and if you had 7 or 8 different manufacturers, sure it would be great for us fans but how long would you REALLY have them? Within 3 years half would be broke. |
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Man, the early failures of the 04 can't be sitting real well with HPD right now. I'd like to think they have a better case for being one of the 4 if the 04 had succeeded, but I guess if one manufacturer from the Americas has to be chosen their odds are slightly better than other companies not currently offering a P2. |
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There are multiple manufacturers on that list in every year, yes, but I count only 4 that have managed to stay on the market constantly: HPD, Oreca, Onroak and Zytek. And these four have been the only ones who have mostly been able to supply multiple teams.
I am discounting Lola due to the 2012 bankruptcy. The 4-manufacturer figure is probably a realistic one for business prospects, but I really hope that they change the single-engine rule, that's my biggest beef with this proposal. |
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Does that matter as long as people are still fielding different cars? Not all want to have clone chassis from the market leaders, even if it doesn't necessarily always make financial or even competitive sense
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It is present in the latest WMSC decision (http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-...il-2015-geneva), but the fact that the official FIA/ACO press conference about the 2017 P2 regs was delayed to Le Mans seems to me like there's something still going on behind the scenes. And there is a history of decisions ratified by the FIA WMSC which ended up being overturned for various reasons.
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They'll get shot down by ACO since the engine regulations is already set in stone. Sorry Mazda, better focus on gasoline engines and race in LMP1 instead!
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So Chevy, Mazda and Honda support the manufacturer body based bodywork.
Ford and Nissan are the last one to announce anything about the P2 regs. I hope this boost up the number of the P class and welcome more manufacturers to enter. |
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Rcz : Where was Fords announcement in reguard to P2 cars ? I must have missed it
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I meant they have not yet said anything about the new P2 rules yet and are the last P2 and Dp engine manufacturers that have yet to say anything.
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